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Re: Trouble in Kentucky

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d beatty

03-14-2012 19:40:16
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bg/mo you are right about not needing cdl if your vehicle does not go over 26,000 lbs. But if you pull a trailer over 10,000lbs. you need a CDL. This is a Missouri DMV requirement for CDL.




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John in La

03-15-2012 16:18:50
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 Re: Trouble in Kentucky in reply to d beatty, 03-14-2012 19:40:16  
d beatty
From what I am reading you believe that you need a CDL in Missouri if you pull a trailer over 10,000 even though the total rig is under 26,000 lbs.

If I am reading this correct please help me out.
Go to the link I provided.........
Missouri CDL manual
Go to page 1-1 and take the test on the right side of the page and tell me how you come up with that thinking.

Pick a state. Any state. And the only way you need a CDL if the truck/trailer combo is under 26,000 lbs is if you have 16 passengers spots or you haul haz mat. You do not even answer the question of what size trailer you have unless you can answer yes to it is over 26,000 lbs total.

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d beatty

03-15-2012 18:47:14
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 Re: Trouble in Kentucky in reply to John in La, 03-15-2012 16:18:50  
John if you read below this came directly from the newest Missouri DMV CDL word for word.I didn't mean to stir up trouble. I have had a CDL since they came out.If I didn't have I would get one. With a class A you could go anywhere hauling your tractors as long as your within legal weight.You only need a log book if your hauling for hire and then thats if only you run outside a 150 mile radius of home base.

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JimEvans

03-15-2012 17:27:01
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 Re: Trouble in Kentucky in reply to John in La, 03-15-2012 16:18:50  
You are reading it wrong. The very first question is Does the vehicle or

combination of vehicles have a manufacturer’s weight rating (GVWR) over 26,000 pounds?

If the answer is NO, then if it under 16 passenger and no hazmat, you do not need a CDL. Trailer weight does not matter.

Iowa has the same rules. It amazes me how everyone reads the rules incorrectly. I have a 11,500 dually truck with a 14,000 lb trailer. It is under 26,000 so I do not need a CDL.

Also, I do not farm, so this is a hobby for me and I haul my own personal property. There is no way for me to even get a DOT#. The first question on the DOT application is what is your business name? I have no business.
They are cracking down on farmers, which is a business. If you run farm plates or business trade plates to cut down on your taxes, then expect problems from the DOT, because you just told them that you are a business.

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bg/mo

03-15-2012 05:33:03
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 Re: Trouble in Kentucky in reply to d beatty, 03-14-2012 19:40:16  
It is our understanding that it is the combination of the two the truck and trailer to get over 26,001.



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d beatty

03-15-2012 08:22:46
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 Re: Trouble in Kentucky in reply to bg/mo, 03-15-2012 05:33:03  
bg/mo this is out of your Missouri DMV. You need a commercial drivers licence (CDL) to drive a vehicle more than 26,000 pounds, a trailer more than 10,000 pounds, a transport vehicle ( pass. Bus), or a hazardous materials vehicle. I live in Indiana and ours is worded the same as yours. But Iowa words theirs a little differant and could be interpreted differant. Thats why I say that these states need to get on the same page so you can go from one state to another with no problems.

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George Marsh

03-15-2012 20:09:39
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 Re: Trouble in Kentucky in reply to d beatty, 03-15-2012 08:22:46  
I live in Indiana and you can only buy 9000 and 11000 pound tags. There isn't a 10,000 pound tag. So do they determine the weight of the trailer by the tag size, the actual trailer weight or the maximum rating of the trailer?

I have a 14k rated trailer with a 9K tags. I will never carry more than 9k total weight. A 10k rated trailer is only 200 pounds lighter than a 14K trailer. The only difference in the two trailer is the tire rating and axle rating. So, for a few more bucks, I bought a trailer that I'll never bend the axles. Will I be in trouble?

BTY, my trailer is for personal, not business.
George

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rustyfarmall

03-15-2012 10:00:23
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 Re: Trouble in Kentucky in reply to d beatty, 03-15-2012 08:22:46  
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What I don't understand is "a trailer more than 10,000#" How does one go about DRIVING a trailer? And what difference does it make how much that trailer weighs?

If you are USING a trailer, won't that trailer be hitched to your truck? And if it is hitched to your truck, does it not then become a "combined" vehicle? And since it is now a combination truck and trailer, does not the GVCWR apply?

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willie in mn

03-15-2012 17:58:12
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 Re: Trouble in Kentucky in reply to rustyfarmall, 03-15-2012 10:00:23  
rusty
Not all that hard to figure out the 10k limit on trailer.
First test- limit is 26k gross combined.
Second test- not more than 10k on the trailer.
Eg: 16k on truck & 10k on trailer- good to go, but 5k on truck & 21k on trailer is a no no. Tail wagging the dog type of thing.
Spent over 40 years on the road. After retiring moved away from big city area. Along with change of address,I cancelled my class A cdl, went with plain lic. Several people wanted me to "help them out" for a trip or two. Soc Security plus 2 union pensions put my income just under a tax bracket break. Anything i would earn would put me into the next higher bracket, actual net after tax would come out less than without earning anything.
Willie

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D beatty

03-15-2012 10:15:17
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 Re: Trouble in Kentucky in reply to rustyfarmall, 03-15-2012 10:00:23  
Rustyfarmall I only wrote down what was in the Missouri DMV site.In my opion the states need to get together and set up vehicle laws and CDL requirements that are the same so we can go from state to state and be legal.



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rustyfarmall

03-15-2012 10:58:33
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 Re: Trouble in Kentucky in reply to D beatty, 03-15-2012 10:15:17  
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No, I wasn't picking on you. I've read the same thing in other places, but I just can't make any sense of it. I also don't understand why the individual states need to set their own rules because the FEDERAL D.O.T. pretty much already has it covered.

Just color me confused!



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d beatty

03-15-2012 11:25:46
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 Re: Trouble in Kentucky in reply to rustyfarmall, 03-15-2012 10:58:33  
rustyfarmall don't fell bad your not the only one alone in being confused.I don't need to worry about CDL I kept mine after I retired after 38 years of driving semi for a common carrier. I did drop the Haz .Mat



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rustyfarmall

03-15-2012 12:02:48
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 Re: Trouble in Kentucky in reply to d beatty, 03-15-2012 11:25:46  
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Yes, I kept the CDL also, but haven't had a medical card for several years, and now I'm hearing rumors of a new law that basically says if you have a CDL, you WILL have a medical card. I'm sure I could get a card again, but gee whiz, all I want to do is maybe haul a tractor to a show, or maybe attend an auction and bring home a new project. Guess I may as well sell both the dually AND the trailer and get a bicycle.

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d beatty

03-15-2012 15:13:45
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 Re: Trouble in Kentucky in reply to rustyfarmall, 03-15-2012 12:02:48  
Rustyfarmall here in Indiana if you don't get your medical card renewed ever two years they will pull the CDL and you than only have a regular drivers license. I have diabetes and have to renew mine every year. I see my doctor evert three months.



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welding man

03-15-2012 14:29:30
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 Re: Trouble in Kentucky in reply to rustyfarmall, 03-15-2012 12:02:48  
One great thing about living where I do, is all the tractor pulls are on Saturday and the DOT is too lazy to work weekends in the states I travel in. I talked to a DOT guy the other day and he said that was one thing he really liked about his job, he has all the weekends off.



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rustyfarmall

03-15-2012 07:08:23
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 Re: Trouble in Kentucky in reply to bg/mo, 03-15-2012 05:33:03  
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That is my understanding here in Iowa also. I know some changes are coming, but I have no idea what those changes will be.



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