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UPDATE: To buy a trailer or not, and if, what kind?

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Ralph Bauer

02-18-2012 06:40:46
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Thanks for all your input. After considering all (+/-), I settled for a 23+5 GN, triple single 7K. I know the triples will be harder to turn than but more stable, also thinking of getting a 1t dually, found a couple older prospects (one's a 89 F350 with Intl. diesel, 7.3l). Triples were much cheaper than dual tandems,(1800 and up) ....allowed me to get a couple options on it that I wanted. And I will not overload it....!!.lol (wife got a friend who works for OHP, weight div.....)
Thanks again! Ralph in OK.

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smokin730

02-22-2012 18:31:28
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 Re: UPDATE: To buy a trailer or not, and if, what kind? in reply to Ralph Bauer, 02-18-2012 06:40:46  
GA.



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JimEvans

02-22-2012 18:05:32
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 Re: UPDATE: To buy a trailer or not, and if, what kind? in reply to Fuller's Farmall, 02-18-2012 06:40:46  
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Can you give us a state? Because by federal law you have to be over 26,000 GCVWR before you need a CDL for personal use.



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d beatty

02-22-2012 18:29:31
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 Re: UPDATE: To buy a trailer or not, and if, what kind? in reply to JimEvans, 02-22-2012 18:05:32  
Indiana cdl law says you need a cdl to tow any unit over 10,000 lbs.



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smokin730

02-22-2012 16:21:25
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 Re: UPDATE: To buy a trailer or not, and if, what kind? in reply to Ralph Bauer, 02-18-2012 06:40:46  
makes no difference if the trailer is over 10000 gross you are required to have a CDL.....they are busting them left and right round here.. f250 with a 14000 tag trailer requires a CDL..



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Tony C.

02-26-2012 16:10:51
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 Re: UPDATE: To buy a trailer or not, and if, what kind? in reply to smokin730, 02-22-2012 16:21:25  
What you are seeing being busted are trucks with no DOT registration numbers and whatever goes along with that. Or late model duallys and a trailer that pushes them over 26K total. If the dually is rated 13K, then you can't pull a 14K trailer without a CDL.

You DO NOT need a CDL to tow a 14K trailer as long as the combo weight is not over 26,000. And if the trailer is under 10K you can tow it with a truck that's up to 26K and still not need a CDL.

Take a look at the link below, you will see that the majority of states require a DOT number if the trailer and/or the truck are over 10K, even for intrastate use. Note that Indiana, Ohio and OK require the numbers.

This enforcement of this stuff is only going to get worse in the future.
My opinion is the best you can do towing commercial without a CDL is get yourself a trailer that's rated to keep you under the 26,000 limit. If you want to tow the most weight without a CDL the best combo might be a SRW 10K rated truck and a 16K trailer with two 8K axles and 17.5 tires.

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mkirsch

02-22-2012 06:21:29
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 Re: UPDATE: To buy a trailer or not, and if, what kind? in reply to Ralph Bauer, 02-18-2012 06:40:46  
In NY, you can register the vehicle for whatever "GVWR" you want. The law is only interested in the REGISTERED numbers, not the manufacturer's ratings.

My dually has a factory GVWR of 11,400lbs.

My deckover trailer has a factory GVWR of 14,000lbs.

I registered the truck and trailer at 10,000lbs each. Saved myself about $100 a year that way, and I'm nowhere near the magic CDL limit of 26,001.

Only thing that'll bite me is if I get weighed and end up over 20,000. Truck weighs 6300, trailer weighs 3250, so I have over 10,000lbs of payload capacity as it is.

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buickanddeere

02-21-2012 19:41:33
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 Re: UPDATE: To buy a trailer or not, and if, what kind? in reply to Ralph Bauer, 02-18-2012 06:40:46  
102" wide deck over. Triples are no more stable than dual axle. Less to mechanically go wrong. Easier to haul and turn with dual axles.



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Vernon in Ks

02-23-2012 12:13:03
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 Re: UPDATE: To buy a trailer or not, and if, what kind? in reply to buickanddeere, 02-21-2012 19:41:33  
Wrong! Tandem duals have a narrower frame and spring set. triples carry 1000 lbs more and 2 less tires to ware out.



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730d se

02-23-2012 12:58:09
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 Re: UPDATE: To buy a trailer or not, and if, what kind? in reply to Vernon in Ks, 02-23-2012 12:13:03  
If you do much turning with a loaded triple axle trailer, you will pay for it in parts and added wear. The tires on a properly aligned dual axle will last longer so it is trade off on tires.

And the other issue is the higher weight rating moves you to CDL.



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Iowa Jim

02-21-2012 14:42:00
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 Re: UPDATE: To buy a trailer or not, and if, what kind? in reply to F-350, 02-18-2012 06:40:46  
It has nothing to do with the actual weight of the vehicles, rather the GVWR. A triple 7,000 axle trailer will be 21,000 a typical pickup will have a GVWR in the 8,000 range (mine has 10,000), couple those together and you are well over the magic 26,001 lb threshold where everything gets really interesting.

Jim



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Ralph Bauer

02-21-2012 19:10:01
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 Re: UPDATE: To buy a trailer or not, and if, what kind? in reply to Iowa Jim, 02-21-2012 14:42:00  
Great discussion, however, I am planning on strictly following the Farm exemption here in OK (truck and trailer), so I will be fine. Granted, if I were to venture into TX, where they may not have a reciprocating agreement, it will look different. but ODOT does a good job listing and explaining it for OK farmers, OK farm use, and OK requirements.



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arcadiainc

02-20-2012 17:58:15
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 Re: UPDATE: To buy a trailer or not, and if, what kind? in reply to Ralph Bauer, 02-18-2012 06:40:46  
Have a 1991 7.3 f-250 with a five speed. She pulls a 5000 pound machine with authority and does not do badly on fuel. 12-14 mpg. Running with no load I get 18-19 mpg. The truck is trouble free and easy to like.



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730d se

02-20-2012 06:19:10
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 Re: UPDATE: To buy a trailer or not, and if, what kind? in reply to Ralph Bauer, 02-18-2012 06:40:46  
I am sure that you are aware that it is not just the "load" that places you in CDL territory, it is the capabilty. You can be bone empty in a rig that has a combined gross weight limit of more than 26,001 LBS and you are as guilty as a guy that is loaded but not overloaded.
This has really gotten to be a slippery slope, especially since so many people were cheating by using the wrong tags, farm tags, running at night, etc.
Have your wallet open when they pull you, it is never cheap.

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Iowa Jim

02-19-2012 10:54:04
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 Re: UPDATE: To buy a trailer or not, and if, what kind? in reply to Ralph Bauer, 02-18-2012 06:40:46  
A triple 7,000 axle trailer combined with any pickup gets you over the magic 26,001 # mark.



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d beatty

02-20-2012 08:50:23
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 Re: UPDATE: To buy a trailer or not, and if, what kind? in reply to Iowa Jim, 02-19-2012 10:54:04  
Jim what size truck are you pulling a tri axle with. When i used to have to scale before loading My single axle semi tractor with a 48 foot trailer would scale out at empty at 26,600 lbs. The new 21,000 lbs. tri axle (bumper or GN) run between 5,200 and 6,600 lbs. I know of no factory made pickup that weights 19,000 lbs.



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730d se

02-20-2012 09:45:16
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 Re: UPDATE: To buy a trailer or not, and if, what kind? in reply to d beatty, 02-20-2012 08:50:23  
The basic issue is not the actual weight of each unit, but the total gross weight rating.
If his trailer weight rating is 21,000 LBS, that leaves only 5,000 LBS weight rating for the towing vehicle.
Not going to find a truck with a 5,000 LB or less rating that will pull the trailer.
Again, it is not just about the load, it is about the capabilty of the two together, no matter if empty, loaded, or worse yet, over loaded which gets you in much deeper in your wallet.
He will need at minumum a CDL, million in liabilty, fuel tax and filing all of that every 3 months, etc.
It is more trouble that is is worth unless you are running a full on hauling service, in which case you would likely have a semi.

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Ralph Bauer

02-19-2012 12:59:31
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 Re: UPDATE: To buy a trailer or not, and if, what kind? in reply to Iowa Jim, 02-19-2012 10:54:04  
I know, thanks!



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Ralph Bauer

02-18-2012 20:37:31
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 Re: UPDATE: To buy a trailer or not, and if, what kind? in reply to Ralph Bauer, 02-18-2012 06:40:46  
Thanks for all the input. The 7.3 I was looking at is an automatic... 3+OD and it shifted a bit squirly.... won't buy it. The other one was already gone.
I'll keep looking, no hurry on my part.



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4010 puller

02-22-2012 13:17:28
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 Re: UPDATE: To buy a trailer or not, and if, what kind? in reply to Ralph Bauer, 02-18-2012 20:37:31  
If its for farm use and no real issue, Id look for a single axle road tractor. They can be obtained for $3500-5000 and will handle the 21k rating of the trailer.

They are referring to the GCVWR (21000 for the trailer + gvw of the hauling vehicle)to be over 26000 gvw which will require a cdl. Im from ohio and havent run into it yet but im sure in the right place they would get you.



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soundguy

02-18-2012 16:45:51
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 Re: UPDATE: To buy a trailer or not, and if, what kind? in reply to Ralph Bauer, 02-18-2012 06:40:46  
ps.. don't get crazy on the rear end.. low gears are fine.. but they limit your top end speed, and will make you drink more fuel at high speed.

my 99 450 has a 4.88 rear.. at 72mph i'm turning 2750 rpm.. as you know that engine starts redlineing at about 3300 or 3400.. thus I run synthetic oil.. I once made a hul .. 14k on my gooseneck.. ran 75.. got about 4.5mpg

next tiem I made that haul I dropped to 67-72.. and got 9mpg huge difference.

My 350 has 4.10 gears. much better choice for towing. still decent power.. and ok interstate speed. better power than a 3.73 the other common rear end for them fords..

soundguy

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soundguy

02-18-2012 16:39:49
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 Re: UPDATE: To buy a trailer or not, and if, what kind? in reply to Ralph Bauer, 02-18-2012 06:40:46  
the 7.3lidi is a rock solid engine.. but might have breathing problems at high speed on the interstate pulling a large laod. the updated ats turbo added in 93.5 would help.. or.. go 94.5 and up and get the powerstroke.

I have a 350 and 450 99 7.3psd dually.. love em...

soudnguy



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1206SWMO

02-18-2012 12:19:22
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 Re: UPDATE: To buy a trailer or not, and if, what kind? in reply to Ralph Bauer, 02-18-2012 06:40:46  
Ralph,believe me you dont want a F-350 with a 7.3 IDI....They were good old engines but just dont have the power to pull a big load...At 45-50 mph mine would only get 6-7 mpg pulling a trailer no matter what I had on the trailer..This was a 5 speed with 4.10 gears..



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1206SWMO

02-18-2012 12:19:22
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 Re: UPDATE: To buy a trailer or not, and if, what kind? in reply to Ralph Bauer, 02-18-2012 06:40:46  
Ralph,believe me you dont want a F-350 with a 7.3 IDI....They were good old engines but just dont have the power to pull a big load...At 45-50 mph mine would only get 6-7 mpg pulling a trailer no matter what I had on the trailer..This was a 5 speed with 4.10 gears..



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430WLPG

02-18-2012 08:01:15
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 Re: UPDATE: To buy a trailer or not, and if, what kind? in reply to Ralph Bauer, 02-18-2012 06:40:46  
Ralph If you're going older Ford a newer 94 up powerstroke would be a better choice a 89 is a good engine but not a very strong puller unless it has very low rear axle



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