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Re: Looking for clarification!

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John in La

12-31-2011 19:49:41
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You can not get a straight answer for that question. Heck even the DOT officers do not know the answer. I use to have a chart that outlined who needs a CDL but lost it in a hard drive crash.

Read the federal rules and make up your own mind.

The Federal standard requires States to issue a CDL to drivers according to the following license classifications:

To me this reads states have to follow the federal law and can not change them in any way.

Class A -- Any combination of vehicles with a GCWR of 26,001 or more pounds provided the GVWR of the vehicle(s) being towed is in excess of 10,000 pounds.

To me this says GCWR must be over 26,001 lbs AND the trailer GVWR must be over 10,000 lbs.

In other words a 25,000 lb truck with a 5000 lb trailer would not need a CDL because the trailer is not over 10,000 lbs. ALSO
A 14,000 lb truck with a 11,000 lb trailer would not need a CDL because the GCWR is not 26,001.

Class B -- Any single vehicle with a GVWR of 26,001 or more pounds, or any such vehicle towing a vehicle not in excess of 10,000 pounds GVWR.

To me this was says the truck must have a GVWR of 26,001 or more.

Class C deals with haz mat and passengers so it is N/A for this question

Someone else brought up air brakes so lets answer that also.

There is no such thing as a Air Brake Endorsement. If you do not take the air brake test or fail the skill test you will be given a Air Brake Restriction. This restriction has no effect on what size truck you drive. It just can not have air brakes. I have seen many trucks (say a 2 ton) that can easily pull a trailer over 10,000 lbs and would have a GCWR over 26,001 lbs that did not have air brakes. Most have vacuum over hydraulic brakes on the truck and electric brakes on the trailer. This combo would require a Class A but could have the air brake restriction.

If a driver either fails the air brake component of the general knowledge test or performs the skills test in a vehicle not equipped with air brakes, the driver is issued an air brake restriction, restricting the driver from operating a CMV equipped with air brakes.

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d beatty

01-01-2012 17:20:59
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 Re: Looking for clarification! in reply to John in La, 12-31-2011 19:49:41  
I retired a year ago after 38 years of driving semi for a commerical freight line. We hauled haz mat my CDL license was a class A with H ( haz mat)endorsement You don't need the class C for haz mat.



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scotc

01-01-2012 09:57:50
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 Re: Looking for clarification! in reply to John in La, 12-31-2011 19:49:41  
Class C deals with Hazmat and passengers? Class C is your basic passenger-car, light-truck license. Hazmat isn't it's own class of license, it's an endorsement. Class C is any vehicle/combination up to 26,000 pounds towing less than 10,000, or bus/van that carries less than 15 passengers.



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John in La

01-01-2012 12:28:27
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 Re: Looking for clarification! in reply to scotc, 01-01-2012 09:57:50  
The CDL laws have a class C license. If you haul haz mat or have more than 15 passengers (16 people with the driver) you need a Commercial Driver's Licenses (CDL).
If your truck is not big enough to need a class A or B license but you want to do any of the above you need a class C CDL. You would also need to add the correct endorsements to the license.
Some states use the class C as a regular drivers license. But these states also have a regular class C and a commercial class C.
My state used class D and E for non CDL licenses.

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The Federal standard requires States to issue a CDL to drivers according to the following license classifications:
Class A -- Any combination of vehicles with a GCWR of 26,001 or more pounds provided the GVWR of the vehicle(s) being towed is in excess of 10,000 pounds.
Class B -- Any single vehicle with a GVWR of 26,001 or more pounds, or any such vehicle towing a vehicle not in excess of 10,000 pounds GVWR.
Class C -- Any single vehicle, or combination of vehicles, that does not meet the definition of Class A or Class B, but is either designed to transport 16 or more passengers, including the driver, or is transporting material that has been designated as hazardous under 49 U.S.C. 5103 and is required to be placarded under subpart F of 49 CFR Part 172 or is transporting any quantity of a material listed as a select agent or toxin in 42 CFR Part 73.

If you think I am still wrong than prove me wrong with a link.

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scotc

01-02-2012 01:11:50
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 Re: Looking for clarification! in reply to John in La, 01-01-2012 12:28:27  
Maybe your state has a standard C and a commercial C, but the commercial C is still only good for the light vehicle. And with a Hazmat endorsement is only needed and good for the light vehicle carrying a reportable quantity. You made it sound as though a class C is for hazmat in any vehicle weight class, which it isn't.



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John in La

01-02-2012 21:26:18
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 Re: Looking for clarification! in reply to scotc, 01-02-2012 01:11:50  
I think it was just a misunderstanding of the words I or you used.

I stated Class C does not apply to this discussion because it deals with haz mat and passengers.

Let me put it this way......
You would only need a class C if you hauled haz mat or passengers. Class C is not the only license that allows you to haul haz mat or passengers but if you have a class C you do one of the above.
A class C does not allow you to drive trucks over 26,001 lbs. If you did you would need a Class A or B.
If you drive a truck smaller than 26,001 lbs you do not need a CDL unless you haul haz mat or passengers. This is where the commercial class C comes in.

So like I said before a class C is N/A to this discussion on trailer size. If you do not haul haz mat or passengers you have no need to get a commercial class C license.

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scotc

01-03-2012 18:34:46
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 Re: Looking for clarification! in reply to John in La, 01-02-2012 21:26:18  
I think you mean to say that if you want to haul hazmat or less than 15 passengers in a car/pickup/van, you need to get a commercial C in your state.

You need to get a hazmat endoresement on a commercial license to haul it, but the endorsement can be had on any commercial license.



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