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Stuart 10-25-2011 05:27:56 64.198.86.189 Report to Moderator	What extra maintenance are you talking about in a diesel? No spark plugs? Longer oil change intervals? If direct injection gas is so great then why dont heavy industry use it? 2011 GMC Duramax diesel avg fuel mileage 16.5. 400hp 800lb ft torque. [Reply]   [No Email]
buickanddeere 10-25-2011 15:15:39 216.183.139.69 Report to Moderator	Stuck in 1985 in reply to Stuart, 10-25-2011 05:27:56   You may think you are mother trucker hauling 60ton on the interstate across both mountain ranges. And driving 125,000 miles per year. News flash. You have a light duty application with intermittent use as a truck and 95% usage as a passenger car. We are not talking about municipal diesel generator sets or marine diesels.Operating at 100% power 24/7. Ever compare the cost of the diesel fuel, oil and trans filters vs. the gasoline filters? Ever note the difference in the amount of oil at each change? You seem to be stuck in 1985 with carburated 350 four barrels making 148HP. With a non lockup three speed automatic. Vs. a Dodge Cummins with just a P pump, a non waste gated turbo and a 5 speed manual. Lets roll the clock ahead to reality in the 2012 /2013 models years. Lets see? A diesel with glow plugs, variable vane turbo, cooled EGR, 30,000psi injection system. Particulate filter, cat converter, two batteries, two alternators and urea injection. Vs a direct injection gasser with spark plugs that last 100,000 miles. Or do you still change gasser plugs every 3000 miles? No distributor. No carb. No choke plate or choke linkages. No heat riser valve. No V-belts. No EGR valve. One battery, one alternator. Which truck will require $$$ parts to keep rolling? How much better mileage does the diesel have to have to make up for the 40cents per gallon higher price. You are beat there before we even mention the extra 10 grand for the diesel option. [Reply]  [No Email]
Stuart 10-26-2011 06:15:24 64.198.86.189 Report to Moderator	Re: Stuck in 1985 in reply to buickanddeere, 10-25-2011 15:15:39   No I dont use it as a status symbol. By the way if you havent noticed, Deere is using all that tech that you say is no good in there tractors with several thousand hours of trouble free use. Neighbor already has 6000 hrs on his. Stop putting words into my mouth. Prove it with actual facts and not hyperbole. [Reply]  [No Email]
Howard H. 10-26-2011 07:26:03 164.58.210.23 Report to Moderator	Re: Stuck in 1985 in reply to Stuart, 10-26-2011 06:15:24   Hey Stuart - Don't worry - I'm wishing I had a diesel for the exact reasons you laid out... I've had two F250s with gas engines and by the time you hit 200,000 they just DON'T have the power they used to - just like you said... I've taken good care of both pickups, too... The 6-9 mpg loaded also gets old... I don't give a flip about "status symbol", either... Or I'd be driving a new burnt-orange Camaro instead of buying up old tractors... Howard [Reply]  [No Email]
Stuart 10-27-2011 05:49:10 64.198.86.189 Report to Moderator	Re: Stuck in 1985 in reply to Howard H., 10-26-2011 07:26:03   Yeah, B&D sounds like he is bitter about people who make more than him or have nicer stuff. Very sad. When my friends and neighbors buy nice things I am happy for them. [Reply]  [No Email]