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Backhauls are a Myth

07-28-2011 06:32:38
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If you Farm for a Living ...

Do you ask your Neighbor to plant your crops and harvest them as a " Favor " to you?

Where is your common sense, your respect, your pride?

Expecting another man to do your work below cost
shows your ignorance

BACKHAULS ARE A MYTH

Particularly when #2 diesel $4.00 a gallon
on both the East & West Coasts ...

It is amazing to me that someone has the nerve
to post here requesting a " Backhaul "

Backhauls are a Myth - so are Wizards - Unicorns - Fairies - Dragons

There are no magical fuel stations for " backhaul diesel " ...

There are no magical tire stores ...

No magical auto parts stores ....

If you cannot or will not get off your @ss and go get a tractor yourself - DO NOT expect someone els to do it BELOW COST

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scotc

07-30-2011 04:35:44
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 Re: Get it yourself ... in reply to Backhauls are a Myth, 07-28-2011 06:32:38  
Unfortunately, you will still find someone to haul it for nothing. Truckers are not all businessmen. The last company I drove for, would get us backhauls out of Pennsauken, New Jersey when we were in the Baltimore/Philadelphia area. They paid enough to cover the fuel to get back to Erie. That came to an end when I pulled into Altoona, and the lumper fees were more than the load paid.

By the way, a backhaul is a load that brings you to, or closer to, home. It is not, by definition, cheap freight.

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scotc

07-30-2011 04:36:58
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 Re: Get it yourself ... in reply to scotc, 07-30-2011 04:35:44  
When you get a deal on a backhaul, or any haul, is when they have a partial load going that way, and get your freight to fill up the trailer.



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D15DAN

07-28-2011 14:36:39
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 Re: Get it yourself ... in reply to Backhauls are a Myth, 07-28-2011 06:32:38  
You're a little ignorant yourself. Let's say you're a truck driver and you have no load lined up after this one. Do you deadhead back or sit and wait for a load or do you offer a cheap hauling rate and at least cover your costs driving back? To a trucker the 2 worst things are deadheading and sitting.



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Backhauls are a Myth

07-28-2011 16:47:11
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 The worse thing in reply to D15DAN, 07-28-2011 14:36:39  
If you are a trucker and you know your business,
the worst thing is to roll down the road losing money.

Ignorant people believe that hauling for below cost in order to pick up the next load is what
a smart trucker does.

A smart trucker plans ahead. They sit tight when a load has to come together.

A smart trucker does not operate their equipment below cost.



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D15DAN

07-28-2011 19:58:19
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 Re: The worse thing in reply to Backhauls are a Myth, 07-28-2011 16:47:11  
I'm not arguing with you on that. My point is if your heading home would you rather go breaking even or losing money on fuel with no load? Yes alot of this is probably poor planing, but remember plans only work until something changes. Then you have to improvise. I'm not a OTR driver but I have friends that are and have heard several times about them losing loads to other O/Os that offered low rates(even as low as $1/mile) so they wouldn't have to deadhead home, and then you have one of those changes in plans. All I'm saying is that yes there is such a thing as a backhaul.

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willie in mn

07-28-2011 18:59:28
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 Re: The worse thing in reply to Backhauls are a Myth, 07-28-2011 16:47:11  
A backhaul is somebody else's front haul. A successful hauler has an assistant (planner) or a bunch of a planners lining up the next load before the fronthaul is delivered. Spent my working career in transport business. When I retired the company I worked for had approx 900 rigs on the road. Spent a few weekends laid over in southern Ca, del Fri aft, reload ready on Mon morn. Deadheaded from Detroit to Mpls once, New Years holiday weekend, nothing moving from Det, boss brought me home to be in position for outbound loads that would be ready to go when I got there. Otherwise longest deadhead was +/-100 miles.
To get your machine moved, pick an established hauler, the larger the better. An established hauler will have cargo insurance to cover you in case of mishap, reliable equipment, knowledge of permits & procedure for oversize loads, equip & manpower to rescue your load in case of breakdown or driver disabled in Mumble Fumble Egypt.* In a nutshell, you get what you pay for. A one man outfit might quote a cheaper rate, but it will be more expensive in the long run.
* eg: emptied out in Detroit one evening, dispatch said "hotfoot it to South Bend, driver in hospital, find tractor 9233, leave your mt trailer, grab his hot hi-value load & deliver ASAP!" Only 8 hours from time driver went to hospital & I had it moving again.
End of rant.
Willie

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chevytaHOE5674

07-28-2011 18:39:52
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 Re: The worse thing in reply to Backhauls are a Myth, 07-28-2011 16:47:11  

Backhauls are a Myth said: (quoted from post at 16:47:11 07/28/11) If
A smart trucker plans ahead.
They sit tight when a load has to come together.


As a guy who ships logs and lumber around the midwest. If I call a trucker for a rate and a haul and he says "let me see if I can get a back haul before I quote you a rate" I politely hang up the phone and find somebody else. Product has to get moved ASAP in the summer months to keep it from staining, so I don't have time to sit around waiting for a trucker to line up a backhaul. The product usually needs to get moved that day.

That said plenty of my truckers do end up finding backhauls and haul at a cheaper rate as they are coming back home one way or another.
This post was edited by chevytaHOE5674 at 18:40:48 07/28/11.

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Ken Macfarlane

08-04-2011 10:22:29
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 Re: The worse thing in reply to chevytaHOE5674, 07-28-2011 18:39:52  
Thats fine, but you're paying for the discounted backhaul on the other side. Having time sensitive cargo prevents you from getting discount rates.



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