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Re: Ford Engine swap

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06-24-2011 20:35:20

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460 Fords arent exactly boat anchors...Lots are still in use and they do the job just fine for some of us that only put 3000-4000 miles a year on our trucks..

Sure a Cummins or a Power Stroke would be great but I just cant justify one..

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06-25-2011 05:07:36

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 Re: Ford Engine swap in reply to F-350, 06-24-2011 20:35:20  
Hey I completely understand your position. They were a good motor, hard on fuel but would pull very well. All I am saying is they dont hold a candle to a newer diesel. 454,427 and ford 460s were good motors and if taken care of will still give many years of service.

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06-25-2011 06:36:36

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 Re: Ford Engine swap in reply to Stuart, 06-25-2011 05:07:36  
I have several friends with almost new F-350 Fords and 3500 Dodges...They are only getting 8-10 mpg pulling not that heavily of loaded trailers ..They now wish they had their older diesels back as they were getting 12-15 mpg with them..

My 460 Ford gets about 7 mpg towing if I stay some under the speed limit..It loves fuel but has plenty of power..If I used a truck more I would have a late 90's Dodge or Ford diesel.

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07-17-2011 03:07:56

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 Re: Ford Engine swap in reply to F-350, 06-25-2011 06:36:36  
Tell your friends to invest in a good chip and couple upgrades! My old (by today's standards) 97 Powerstroke has some rather cheap upgrades, Superchips Tuner, Turbo and Intercooler from 99+ powerstroke, intake, and less restrictive down pipe from the turbo. I can honestly say that I have done close to double the mileage your buddies are gettin with a hell of a load. I don't drive like a mainiac with all that weight either. Let them know, that is if you want to lose your bragging rights.

All in good fun,

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06-30-2011 08:59:35

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 Re: Ford Engine swap in reply to F-350, 06-25-2011 06:36:36  
2003 Dodge 2500 Cummins 6 speed manual trans. 3.73 gears. 18mpg AVERAGE not max.

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06-27-2011 05:53:57

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 Re: Ford Engine swap in reply to F-350, 06-25-2011 06:36:36  
I can tell ya this, the 88 F350 4X4 that i had did a great job on towing once we got the bugs worked out of it but that took five computer changes and i was using a computer from a 92 . The trck was a cab and chassi i built a 9 foot steel flat bed with a wood floor for it and built in every hitch you could think of even one for off set towing of hay bines and corn pickers balers . It had 4.10 gears with a 5 speed . I use to deal in used farm equipment and i was on the road atleast once a week to sales in Indiana or Ill. Some weeks i was changing oil in the truck twice with the miles i was running . Fuel mileage was always recorded for each trip . Empty truck no trailer she avg. 14 , with trailer 12-13 loaded 9-12 depending on what was on the deck.The worst she ever got was on a load i brought out of Plymouth ind. , it was a E gleaner with corn head and a 10 foot header . Loaded the header over the goose neck as the corn head was on the combine and then drove the combine on the trailer and tucked the corn head up under the grain head . There was a really stiff wind blowing out of the east that evening and when i pulled out of the sale lot i could not believe how hard it was pulling across U S 30 , I could hardly get to 60 mph with my foot to the floor . Both tanks were full and she was eating gas . She sucked down both tanks before i got to the east side of Ft. Wayne . Pulled into a small fuel stop to feed the beast and she took 35.8 gallons on a 36 gallon system . Started thinking that hey i doubt that i would make Beaver Dam sucking fuel like that . So just for the heck of it i unloaded the combine and backed on and chained her down and took off . That made all the difference in the world as how it pulled and the next stop for fuel was Canton . Now the other thing was that i had done some work on the 460 that shell we say did not meet the EPA guidelines . Like i had changed the cam timing back to 69-70 spec.'s and i ran the total ing. timing advance at 36 degrees at 2000 and i also ran high test . I never towed in 5th when loaded and tryed to keep engine rpm at between 32 and 3400 rpm . I now have a 95 Dodge 3500 4X4 with a 12 valve Cummings with 4.10 gears (bad choice for gears ) and i can tell ya that on a good day empty truck running around empty the BEST she has ever seen has been 14 MPG. I can also tell ya this a couple weeks ago was the first time i have ever towed with this truck and we used her to haul fertilizer a 26 mile round trip and hauled five rounds at around 12000 lbs each load and sucked up 32 gallon of fuel . My buddy's 2001 Dodge 3500 4X4 cab and chassi with a 9 foot aluim. flat with 3.54 gears and a 5 speed with his big free flowing exhaust and his CHIP get on the avg. of 16and maybe 17 mpg. Then old 460 took six qt. of oil per change and a three dollar filter the Cummings takes 10 qt. and a eight dollar filter and a 23 dollar fuel filter Diesel is 3.89 here and hightest here wright now 3.49 . The old Ford took one battery and the Dodge takes two . Now when i bought the Dodge Diesel was less then gas BUT NOT NO MORE. Been thinking real hard about selling off the Goat . The longer i keep it the more i find that i do not like about it .

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06-30-2011 09:02:38

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 Re: Ford Engine swap in reply to The tractor vet, 06-27-2011 05:53:57  
Yeah but you can also run a cummins to 15,000 miles on oil changes per the manual. I run 7500 miles. not 3000 like a gas engine. I get 18mpg empty all the time. With 18,000lbs I averaged 14 mpg. 16 empty and 12 full. I you had the 6 speed with 3.73 gears you may get better mileage but at 62 or so my tach is at 2000 rpms.

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06-30-2011 20:40:23

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 Re: Ford Engine swap in reply to Stuart, 06-30-2011 09:02:38  
Well sofar myself i have not seen anybody around here getting much over 17 with a 3500 with a aluim flat with 3.54 gears and a 6 speed and as for towing i know for a fact that as set from the factory STOCK the old 460 would plum EAT a cumming alive . As back in 96 we went to a tractor pull down south of here and i had the Minni Mo U loaded to 75-7600 and my S/Mta loaded to 9000 the old Ford weighted in at 7500 lbs and my Blair goose neck weights in with all chains and binder at 7500 , THat is around 31000 the pull in Carrollton was a morning pull and then the one in Lisbon was and evening pull . The U pulled in four classes and the S/Mta pulled in three loaded up and set sail for Lisbon this is HILL country . One guy from Pa beat me out the gate with his New Dodge Cummings one ton 4X4 with one Farmall M on the deck i passed him on the long hill .

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07-01-2011 05:51:28

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 Re: Ford Engine swap in reply to The tractor vet, 06-30-2011 20:40:23  
I have 400 hp with mine and my dad is a huge ford 460 fan and even at stock my Cummins will beat him easily and his is engine has been played with a bunch.But on the upside your 460 wont last near as long as my Cummins. I will go head to head with you and you will stop for fuel more than I will. The newer cummins dont get the fuel mileage of the old ones.At 400 hp a Cummins will still last to over 600k.I have seen that done with my own eyes. There is a reason that there are way more cummins out there than 460s.But hey if you like your old truck, more power to ya.

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