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Re: WD-9 and 1/2 ton truck

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charles todd

05-31-2011 04:51:34
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Completely opposite is true. Modern 1/2 ton trucks are as heavy if not heavier than a 3/4 ton from 30 years ago. At least frame wise. My 2001 Chevy 1/2 ton is rated for 6400 or 6800 gvw. My 1979 C20, 7200 gvw, and it is a heavy "Camper Special". The only thing heavier is the springs and 14 bolt rear.

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rustyfarmall

06-02-2011 06:33:01
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 Re: WD-9 and 1/2 ton truck in reply to charles todd, 05-31-2011 04:51:34  
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Charles, that is only partially true. A 1/2 ton truck can be either extremely light duty, or it can be equipped to be a real work truck. It all depends on which options were ordered and how it is spec'ed out. A 3/4 ton is the same way. In fact, it is possible to spec out a 1/2 ton that will have higher hauling and towing capabilities than what a comparable 3/4 ton MIGHT have.

The sad part of the whole thing is that finding a heavy duty equipped 1/2 ton on a dealers lot is next to impossible. I would guess that nearly all 1/2 tons on the lot will be the very light duty, glorified passenger car, type of vehicle, and will never be asked to haul anything heavier than 1 or 2 sheets of 1/2" plywood or maybe a couple of beer coolers.

For all practical purposes, a 1/2 ton truck should NOT be considered a work truck anymore.

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gtx1967jewison

08-14-2011 04:33:36
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 Re: WD-9 and 1/2 ton truck in reply to rustyfarmall, 06-02-2011 06:33:01  
Your obviously from the chevy camp.



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chevytaHOE5674

06-02-2011 07:19:12
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 Re: WD-9 and 1/2 ton truck in reply to rustyfarmall, 06-02-2011 06:33:01  
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Why not?

Most manufactures are now using either completely boxed or partially boxed frames. Compared to the rubber like C-channel frames of yesteryear.
Brakes are much larger now with most trucks requiring 17"+ wheels to clear their larger brakes. No more tiny single piston calipers shoved inside 15" wheels with room to spare.

Power is way up from what it was years ago. An early 80's chevy K10 with a 5.7L had 175hp and 275tq IIRC. A 2011 K1500 with a smaller 4.8L makes 302hp and 305tq; and the 5.3L makes 315hp and 338tq.

What makes old 1/2 tons sooooo much greater??? hahaha

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rustyfarmall

06-02-2011 07:57:05
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 Re: WD-9 and 1/2 ton truck in reply to chevytaHOE5674, 06-02-2011 07:19:12  
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Crawl under a truck that was built in the '50s or '60s and take a good look at the CHANNEL IRON frame under those trucks and you quickly understand why the manufacturers of todays trucks need to box in those flimsy, stamped steel frames.

If you are going to compare todays engines to those of yesteryear, compare apples to apples and find out just how fast that 4.8 has to be spinning when it makes that kind of horsepower. I think you will find out that the RPMs required are significanly higher than anything you will ever see during normal highway driving.

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chevytaHOE5674

06-02-2011 09:43:05
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 Re: WD-9 and 1/2 ton truck in reply to rustyfarmall, 06-02-2011 07:57:05  
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I have a truck from the 60's with a CHANNEL IRON frame. When you load the bed with stuff and flex the truck (driving across a small ditch in a pasture) at all the bed and cab move 6" apart on one side and touch on the other. This is common knowledge and many people who use those old trucks off-road box the frames, or build new frames.
On the other hand my neighbors new chevy truck with a boxed frame and the frame is rock solid no matter what he is doing with it.
Sure the newer motors make power at higher RPM's but with the 5 and 6 speed transmissions and different axle gears they are able to use that power.

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rustyfarmall

06-02-2011 10:17:54
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 Re: WD-9 and 1/2 ton truck in reply to chevytaHOE5674, 06-02-2011 09:43:05  
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You missed the point entirely. Go back and read my statement again.



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chevytaHOE5674

06-02-2011 10:37:44
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 Re: WD-9 and 1/2 ton truck in reply to rustyfarmall, 06-02-2011 10:17:54  
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What was your point then?
That they need the boxed frame to make up for the lack of CHANNEL IRON frame?
Maybe they have found out through years of research and development that the best answer isn't through some heavy channel iron under it; instead engineer a frame that is rigid and stronger than previous models while being light weight and has built in crash protection.
Or was your point about the old motors and how they get 11mpg rolling down hill or how they are harder to start when cold, or not as reliable.
Your "old 1/2" was lucky to make it to 100k before rusting out and falling apart. Now it is not uncommon for "new" trucks to have 100k mile in a few years and then continue on for a few 100k miles more.

So again what was your point? ha

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