transport tractors

Chuck Reynolds · May 23, 2015

All,

Two questions about transporting tractors. Have a jd2510 tricycle and a farmall 300 tricycle and plan to transport each separately on a gooseneck. Am planning to use a clevis on the back hitch and use that to chain down the rear of tractor with one chain and ratchet binder to each side (~45 degrees). Assume that rear setup is ok.

QUESTION A: On the front would a chain behind the steering housing between tricycle tires be the way to go. Seems like it would hit tires when pulled out 45 degrees each way?

QUESTION B: Have a 4430 with koyker 510 front end loader and hx15 shredder to haul (all at once). Assuming tractor, loader and shredder will be getting close to 20,000 pounds. On a 30 ft gooseneck it seems like quite a bit of weight will be forward of trailer wheels, because of length required to get shredder on trailer. Will that be too much weight on rear end of 97 F350 single axle long bed diesel pickup?

Thanks

mmfan55 · May 23, 2015

Proper tie down is "4-point"; chain on all four corners. yes; it is best to tie in a manner where chain does hot bind against tires; Q-2: assuming your truck / trailer is about the same weight as mine; (02 dually dsl. w/32 ft. gooseneck); you will have an empty weight of around 15,000. adding the 20k for the load is 35,000. legally speaking; unless you are in an area with a abundant farm exemption; that is into CDL; medical card; us dot; fuel permit; log book; and all the other big truck requirements. I believe you should research that area of things first. and yes; you will likely be placing more weight on the truck tires than they are rated to haul. That can be a double trouble situation. Tires blowing under the weight AND vehicle enforcement scrutiny. Also to consider: What are you liscensed for; weight wise. Some areas get real ticket happy if they can get someone for 10,000-15,000 overweight. Lots to consider if traveling very far.

showcrop · May 24, 2015

Assuming that you know the net load capacity of your trailer when supported by your truck, I would suggest that you set the shredder on the front of the trailer, then load the 4430 on the back so that most of the weight of the tractor is over the trailer tires. This should result in a very reasonable load on the truck. I regularly load two tractors on my 30 ft dual tandem gooseneck and only the back end of the overload springs touches.

BruceS · May 24, 2015

Question A: Not ok. 4 3/8 in. chain tiedowns with ratchet binders per tractor, period.

Question B: Also not ok. Wouldn't consider that kind of weight with a 350. May move the load, but how about your ability to stop??

showcrop · May 24, 2015

(quoted from post at 05:31:18 05/24/15) Question A: Not ok. 4 3/8 in. chain tiedowns with ratchet binders per tractor, period.

Question B: Also not ok. Wouldn't consider that kind of weight with a 350. May move the load, but how about your ability to stop??

Bruce, I suggest you check your sources. DOT Website might be a good place.

D beatty · May 24, 2015

It is hard to give him advise when you don't know the rating of trailer or if it is a single wheel tandem, daul wheel tandem or a single wheel tri axle. If he would need CDL he wouldn't have to run log book as long as us you stay under 150 mile radius of home base or terminal.

kub6040 · May 24, 2015

We move a 1466 ih and 15' batwing at the same time by backing it onto the trailer and this puts the load on 8 tires instead of 4 . 1998 dodge cab and chassis one ton and 30 foot dual tandem trailer , trailer has 12500 axles.

Chuck Reynolds · May 25, 2015

Thanks for the guidance. Trailer is a 30ft with dual axle and dual tires (8 total). Believe they said it was rated to 30k #.

F350 7.3 power stroke pickup is a long bed with single tires, not a dually.

john deere 4430 (no duals) + koyker 510 loader + john deere hx15 shredder.

Was thinking that backing the shredder on would be the best approach for getting tractor weight above the trailer axles. Glad to hear those hear saying that is no problem to back on backwards. Just going 20 miles and do not want to be safe and not hurt any equipment (special concern with pickup loading). Planning to drive around 45mph.

Was hoping this would be reasonable.

showcrop · May 25, 2015

(quoted from post at 05:50:15 05/25/15) Thanks for the guidance. Trailer is a 30ft with dual axle and dual tires (8 total). Believe they said it was rated to 30k #.

F350 7.3 power stroke pickup is a long bed with single tires, not a dually.

john deere 4430 (no duals) + koyker 510 loader + john deere hx15 shredder.

Was thinking that backing the shredder on would be the best approach for getting tractor weight above the trailer axles. Glad to hear those hear saying that is no problem to back on backwards. Just going 20 miles and do not want to be safe and not hurt any equipment (special concern with pickup loading). Planning to drive around 45mph.

Was hoping this would be reasonable.

Usually the back of a tractor is far heavier than the front. backing it on would put more load on the truck than trailer. Setting the mower on the front, then DRIVING the tractor on frontwards will put the weight on the back where you want it.

T in NE · May 25, 2015

You could easily haul both your smaller ones on one
load. Under ten thousand pounds apiece so you can
use one chain on each end. An unballasted 300 is
well under 5500 pounds(a 560 can be got down to 5500
with the driver and working pto). Don't use a clevis
on the draw bar.

5/16 chains are a lot lighter and easier to work
with.

Find and get the "driver's handbook for load
securement" by JJKeller. It spells it all out and
has flow charts for determining what you need for
tie-downs.

Chuck Reynolds · May 25, 2015

Would like to set the shredder on the trailer with front end loader and haul it separately by itself.

Think that HX15 is ~5500 lbs. Koyker 510 loader spec. says Lift Capacity To Maximum Height At Pivot Pin=5540 lbs. The loader is new and I sure don't want to hurt any equipment.

D beatty · May 25, 2015

Where does it say you can use one chain forward and one chain to the back. The 2014 FMCSA rugulations say two chains foward and two chains back. This applies to anything under 10,000lbs. and it also applies to anything over 10,000 lbs.. The chains or straps must be appropriate for the load.

showcrop · May 26, 2015

(quoted from post at 20:23:14 05/25/15) Where does it say you can use one chain forward and one chain to the back. The 2014 FMCSA rugulations say two chains foward and two chains back. This applies to anything under 10,000lbs. and it also applies to anything over 10,000 lbs.. The chains or straps must be appropriate for the load.

Try reading it again. Regs are less stringent below 10,000 lbs.

D beatty · May 26, 2015

I think you guys should read the up dated ( Dec.18 2014) FMCSA DOT regulations on load securement chapters 9 and 10 which covers hauling vehicles and heavy equipment. It tells you 2 tie downs forward and 2 tie downs back and that is if load is under or over 10,000 lbs. It says load is not to move back and forth and side to side or up and down.

showcrop · May 26, 2015

(quoted from post at 08:10:12 05/26/15) I think you guys should read the up dated ( Dec.18 2014) FMCSA DOT regulations on load securement chapters 9 and 10 which covers hauling vehicles and heavy equipment. It tells you 2 tie downs forward and 2 tie downs back and that is if load is under or over 10,000 lbs. It says load is not to move back and forth and side to side or up and down.

Re reading 3.7.2, I can see that it could be read as either two at each end or two, one at each end. We know that the key is to prevent side wards movement, which provided the hook point to the trailer is far enough front and back, one adequate and binder, or strap, through a clevis or similar point front and back will make side to side movement impossible on an under 10,000 lb. machine.

D beatty · May 26, 2015

It doesn't say one at each end. Quote " Use at least two tiedowns at both front and rear of cargo to prevent movement." If you use a clevis front and rear you are only hooked to one point on cargo and if chain, strap or clevis breaks or comes loose you have no restraints on load. I haul my tractors and wouldn't think of using one clevis on back and one on front. The tractor in photo is just under 7,000 lbss. and and will weigh 8,000 if I go to a pull. I would never consider one chain forward or just one back.

T in NE · May 31, 2015

Sounds like I may need to get the updated book then.

Whoa Nellie · May 31, 2015

(quoted from post at 10:22:53 05/26/15) It doesn't say one at each end. Quote " Use at least two tiedowns at both front and rear of cargo to prevent movement." If you use a clevis front and rear you are only hooked to one point on cargo and if chain, strap or clevis breaks or comes loose you have no restraints on load. I haul my tractors and wouldn't think of using one clevis on back and one on front. The tractor in photo is just under 7,000 lbss. and and will weigh 8,000 if I go to a pull. I would never consider one chain forward or just one back.

I am new to antique tractors and transportation. Mr. Beatty, how are the front chains attach to the frame on your 450? And I assume on the back you use a clevis on the drawbar for each chain? Also, what brand is your trailer, axle rating and length? That is a good looking trailer. Thank you. Whoa Nellie.

D beatty · May 31, 2015

The chains on back are hooked to cargo shackles (clevis) using 3/8 grade 70 chain. On the front I have a short piece of G70 chain with hook bolted (grade 8) to fram using holes in frame of tractor. I also used a heavy washer under the head of the bolt and under nut. If your new to hauling I would use ratchet binders. I have alway used snap over binders but at times with them I have had trouble getting the right tension I want on chains and thats not a problem with ratchet binder. The Trailer is a PJ model F8 14,000 lb. ( 2-7,000 lb. axles) Low Profile. The trailer is 102" wide with a 21 foot flat deck and a 3 foot dovetail with 3 standup ramps. The over all length of trailer is 30 foot from center of ball to the back of trailer. The only thing I would do differant is a daul jack stand instead of a single.
The top picture is what looked like the day I brought it home and the others show what I added to trailer.

Whoa Nellie · May 31, 2015

Thank you! I appreciate the information and pictures.

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