Transporting Allis Chalmers All Crop Combine

DLMKA · Oct 19, 2014

I recently bought an A-C 72 combine in SE Minnesota (got a good deal on a machine in VERY good condition). I'm planning on driving up next weekend to get it. Anyone have experience trailering one of these across 2 state lines (MN,WI,IL or MN,IA,IL). I'm going about 300 miles. I'm borrowing a deck over trailer and F-350, trailer has 98" deck and electric brakes. I plan on removing wheels and blocking up the axle. Going to winch the unit up on the trailer with the tongue to the rear. Unload auger, pick-up attachment, and reel are coming off and will be strapped down securely.

I'm a little concerned with being nearly 11' wide. I was going to put red flags front and rear and maybe a beacon. Planning on taking it easy on 2 lane back roads and driving only in daylight hours. I read the rules on MN, WI, IA, and IL DOT sites about husbandry equipment and it appears if you are hauling farm machinery you are exempt from oversize load permits as long as you are not for hire and stay off interstate and only drive during the day.

Last question, this has a strange hitch that I've not seen, what does it connect to?

Hoenes · Oct 19, 2014

Standard ball hitch. Don't remember what size though. Probably 1 7/8 or 2 inch.

J.Wondergem · Oct 19, 2014

If it's like my 66, it's a ball like Hoenes said. The ball has a ring under it, and when the socket on the combine comes down on it the you pull the ring up and twist it one notch and it locks the ring, keeping them together. I hope that helps a little.

DLMKA · Oct 19, 2014

(quoted from post at 19:27:25 10/19/14)

If it's like my 66, it's a ball like Hoenes said. The ball has a ring under it, and when the socket on the combine comes down on it the you pull the ring up and twist it one notch and it locks the ring, keeping them together. I hope that helps a little.

So a regular 1 7/8" or 2" trailer ball won't work? Any chance my local Agco dealer would have one around? There is a guy just up the road with a lot of orange equipment parked out front, might be worth knocking and trying to borrow one. A couple pieces of plate still with holes may work in a pinch to use a regular hitch pin.

showcrop · Oct 20, 2014

You are correct in being concerned about width. Your best bet is to contact each state about overwidth rules and permits. When I got one once for pulling a Moco behind my truck they wanted me on the interstate. When anything goes on a truck it is no longer what it is when it is sitting on the ground. It becomes FREIGHT, and all DOT rules apply. Not for hire signs make casual haulers feel good but DOT inspectors just chuckle about them and get their interest aroused.

J.Wondergem · Oct 20, 2014

(quoted from post at 23:38:36 10/19/14)

(quoted from post at 19:27:25 10/19/14)

If it's like my 66, it's a ball like Hoenes said. The ball has a ring under it, and when the socket on the combine comes down on it the you pull the ring up and twist it one notch and it locks the ring, keeping them together. I hope that helps a little.

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So a regular 1 7/8" or 2" trailer ball won't work? Any chance my local Agco dealer would have one around? There is a guy just up the road with a lot of orange equipment parked out front, might be worth knocking and trying to borrow one. A couple pieces of plate still with holes may work in a pinch to use a regular hitch pin.

I took a picture of it this morning, because I'm not good at describing anything. It is a 1 7/8 inch ball.

DLMKA · Oct 20, 2014

Thanks. I see how it works now. That collar lifts
up and keeps it on the ball from the bottom. Looks
like in order to be secure you really need the
collar.

caterpillar guy · Oct 20, 2014

IL No permits are need for farm equipment if it falls into these dimensions and has a wheel base. Not over 13Ft 6inches high or not more than 14FT wide. Just need signs,flags and blinky light. Light must be visible from all sides.
WI no permit need for farm equipment if not over 10 Ft wide and not on the interstate. This was what the WI permit office told me when I called them about some issue one time. Will need signs and flags.
IA will be more difficult than MN in my opinion due to experiences with them. Don't know about the for hire. If you plan haul more than the one time out of or into IA that is over size. Get the annual permit. It is $25.00. The single trip is $20.00. The annual is just that good for the year. It covers some thing like 16w 15h and 120 long so you would be covered for most anything you would do. No excess weight(over weight) Legal only.
MN permit for over height or width. Don't know for sure about, not for hire or hauling your own equipment. Legal dimensions are 102 inches (8ft 6 inches)wide and 13Ft 6inches for height. This does vary with the state. The ones you mentioned are all 13'6" Most of the rest west of the Mississippi are 14 Ft though except IA,MN,OK,AR. Ne 14'6" WY 14' KS 14',KS just changed in the last couple of years. TX 14'
Permits can be ordered through a permit service for a fee . The one I have used is Transport Permits in Des Moines IA they are good to work with. 800-725-9400. They can be ordered by yourself also. If you have never done it I would recommend you use a service for that. You will be driven nuts by the time you get done. I have nothing to gain by the suggestion of this company. Merely offering a possible solution, to a possible problem.

Tycer · Oct 20, 2014

(quoted from post at 16:46:26 10/20/14) IL No permits are need for farm equipment if it falls into these dimensions and has a wheel base. Not over 13Ft 6inches high or not more than 14FT wide. Just need signs,flags and blinky light. Light must be visible from all sides.
WI no permit need for farm equipment if not over 10 Ft wide and not on the interstate. This was what the WI permit office told me when I called them about some issue one time. Will need signs and flags.
IA will be more difficult than MN in my opinion due to experiences with them. Don't know about the for hire. If you plan haul more than the one time out of or into IA that is over size. Get the annual permit. It is $25.00. The single trip is $20.00. The annual is just that good for the year. It covers some thing like 16w 15h and 120 long so you would be covered for most anything you would do. No excess weight(over weight) Legal only.
MN permit for over height or width. Don't know for sure about, not for hire or hauling your own equipment. Legal dimensions are 102 inches (8ft 6 inches)wide and 13Ft 6inches for height. This does vary with the state. The ones you mentioned are all 13'6" Most of the rest west of the Mississippi are 14 Ft though except IA,MN,OK,AR. Ne 14'6" WY 14' KS 14',KS just changed in the last couple of years. TX 14'
Permits can be ordered through a permit service for a fee . The one I have used is Transport Permits in Des Moines IA they are good to work with. 800-725-9400. They can be ordered by yourself also. If you have never done it I would recommend you use a service for that. You will be driven nuts by the time you get done. I have nothing to gain by the suggestion of this company. Merely offering a possible solution, to a possible problem.

ep, this. Just get your permits and haul on the highway with the nice wide lanes. Gets scary on two laners, you really must have a lead vehicle when you are over the lines.

casenut1 · Oct 20, 2014

If the tongue looks like the one pictured you have to have that ball assembly. All the old AC equipment used that set up.

DLMKA · Oct 21, 2014

(quoted from post at 15:46:26 10/20/14) IL No permits are need for farm equipment if it falls into these dimensions and has a wheel base. Not over 13Ft 6inches high or not more than 14FT wide. Just need signs,flags and blinky light. Light must be visible from all sides.
WI no permit need for farm equipment if not over 10 Ft wide and not on the interstate. This was what the WI permit office told me when I called them about some issue one time. Will need signs and flags.
IA will be more difficult than MN in my opinion due to experiences with them. Don't know about the for hire. If you plan haul more than the one time out of or into IA that is over size. Get the annual permit. It is $25.00. The single trip is $20.00. The annual is just that good for the year. It covers some thing like 16w 15h and 120 long so you would be covered for most anything you would do. No excess weight(over weight) Legal only.
MN permit for over height or width. Don't know for sure about, not for hire or hauling your own equipment. Legal dimensions are 102 inches (8ft 6 inches)wide and 13Ft 6inches for height. This does vary with the state. The ones you mentioned are all 13'6" Most of the rest west of the Mississippi are 14 Ft though except IA,MN,OK,AR. Ne 14'6" WY 14' KS 14',KS just changed in the last couple of years. TX 14'
Permits can be ordered through a permit service for a fee . The one I have used is Transport Permits in Des Moines IA they are good to work with. 800-725-9400. They can be ordered by yourself also. If you have never done it I would recommend you use a service for that. You will be driven nuts by the time you get done. I have nothing to gain by the suggestion of this company. Merely offering a possible solution, to a possible problem.

Thanks for the number to Transportation Permits. For $81 including MN and IA oversize load permits it saves a lot of headaches, heartburn, and worrying about getting pulled over.

DLMKA · Nov 10, 2014

I got it back home this weekend. Called Transportation Permits and they confirmed no permits needed in IA and IL. I was just a few miles from MN border (15 or so) so took a gamble on $68 worth of fees and permits to get out of MN. It was all fairly wide two lane to the border anyway.

Took longer to load than I had planned on, we used the loader on his tractor to help push it up and a come-along on the the axle to the center front of the trailer. Half the tires hung over the edges so we took our time and got it up on the deck and straight. Jacked it up and took the tires off blocked the axles and chains and binders in 4 directions. Tongue was blocked up and a heavy ratchet strap to hold it down. Blocks under the header and straps to keep it from bouncing. Reel and unload auger went in the bed of the truck along with some other misc pieces we took off for transport. Drive was uneventful, didn't go fast, kept it between 50 and 60 and didn't push too hard up the hills. Gas engine in truck drank a LOT of fuel coming back.

Had someone pull in the drive Sunday morning and offer to buy it before I even had a chance to get it off the trailer. I ended up with a custom harvesting job of 6 acres of buckwheat next summer and another reason to get it out and use it. He just lives about a mile away.

J.Wondergem · Nov 10, 2014

Glad to hear everything went smooth. Hope you have a lot of fun with it.

JMS/.MN · Nov 10, 2014

re the ball hitch- IIRC some later machines had a standard tongue hitch which used a hitch pin. AC ball hitches are hard to find. (too easy to lose over the years).

DLMKA · Nov 11, 2014

(quoted from post at 19:20:53 11/10/14) re the ball hitch- IIRC some later machines had a standard tongue hitch which used a hitch pin. AC ball hitches are hard to find. (too easy to lose over the years).

I have the ball and collar but the threads got all mashed up when he was moving it around with bobcat bucket. It's a 3/4-20 UNEF thread but a thread die is probably more than I can buy a new ball for.

JMS/.MN · Nov 14, 2014

Rather than buy one for single use, I"d go to a machine shop and have the owner run it on a die.

DLMKA · Nov 14, 2014

(quoted from post at 02:16:52 11/14/14) Rather than buy one for single use, I"d go to a machine shop and have the owner run it on a die.

I work at a machine shop, no 3/4-20 UNEF die, I'm going to check around a few more small shops in the area.

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