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T in NE

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The new model year power wagon now has the 6.4 liter hemi, with more horsepower than the Cummins, and 4.10 gears instead of 4.56's, so it'll still haul just as much as the Cummins and get better fuel mileage too!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
it will be close, but the cummins will still outpull it, the reason is horsepower is fine, but its torque that does the work, not horsepower, and the diesel has more tourque
 
(quoted from post at 23:02:50 08/18/14) The new model year power wagon now has the 6.4 liter hemi, with more horsepower than the Cummins, and 4.10 gears instead of 4.56's, so it'll still haul just as much as the Cummins and get better fuel mileage too!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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More torque at what RPM? Personally, listening to a Cummins play with load up a 10 mile grade beats the same trip with a gas v/8 every time :wink: It (the Hemi) [i:80b68870dd]MAY[/i:80b68870dd] get better mileage [b:80b68870dd]empty[/b:80b68870dd] but not [b:80b68870dd]loaded[/b:80b68870dd] (pretty much a given :roll:)

It's obvious that your mind is made up so go for it and be HAPPY!
 
Funny you mentioned it, already bought one, same as my last one silver and all, has 6.4 looks identical but I have 4.56 gears in mine dealer installed, now just wait until the 6.2 hemi goes in them 707hp, if you wanna fun truck buy a power wagon there suspension is awesome and the winch is nice when you need a pull or needa move something
 
Torque is king when it comes to pulling. IIRC the Cummins is only 5 or so FTlbs above the 6.7 Ford engine and a Duramax. The other thing is look where all that torque comes into play. Diesel torque shows up between 2K and 3K for the V8 diesel, about 1600 to 2500 for a Cummins. A gas engine is going to be 4K to 5K for similar power. You do the math on who will pull more and live longer doing it...
 
That's what people said about the srt10 dodge truck also with then viper motor, I own one and put a reciever hitch on it and have pulled with it and it does fine, that 6.2 would be just fine no new motor will grenade right away it would take some time before you'd have any problems if you'd have any at all, bet it'd be more reliable than a ford 6.0
 
I really do not place much confidence in "horsepower ratings". Those numbers are all over the place. EXAMPLES: Mercury outboard builds an outboard that is "225 Hp" I have no doubts an old 283 chevy (rated about the same hp) will outpull it. My lawn mower has a 20hp Kohler rated @ 20hp but it will not pull with a John Deere 40 rated at the same. I doubt you could hook 2 of those 700 plus Chrysler hemis together and come anywhere close to pulling what a Cat 3406B (425hp) can do. What I rely on is when the rubber hits the road..
 
The Cummins is down a few HP and ft-lb on the new Powerjoke, and they are both a few HP over the dirtymax and way over it on torque.
The Cummins and Powerjoke are now both rated to tow over 30,000. Chevy/GM still runs ads about highest towing capacity, but I guess their segment includes diesel-pwoered trucks with under 800 ft-lb. And GM supposedly lightens the trucks any way they can before sending them to magazines for testing, unlike Frod and Dodge.
 
(quoted from post at 11:16:17 08/24/14) I really do not place much confidence in "horsepower ratings". Those numbers are all over the place. EXAMPLES: Mercury outboard builds an outboard that is "225 Hp" I have no doubts an old 283 chevy (rated about the same hp) will outpull it. My lawn mower has a 20hp Kohler rated @ 20hp but it will not pull with a John Deere 40 rated at the same. I doubt you could hook 2 of those 700 plus Chrysler hemis together and come anywhere close to pulling what a Cat 3406B (425hp) can do. What I rely on is when the rubber hits the road..
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A part of the discrepancy is in the RPMs. A truck that I drive occasionally makes about 470 HP and it runs mostly at around 2100 but will pull down to 900. My snowmobile runs at around 8000 and idles at about 2000. They are small bangs but four times as many of them.
 
In my opinion, they put those big gas engines in the new trucks not because they will outpull or get better mileage than a cummins. They sell them for the guys who tow 5000 miles a year but need a stout truck. I'm sure the big hemi with 4.56 gears will pull the load. But only a fool would buy one as a full on tow rig for 20,000 towing miles per year.
 
Mercury outboard almost certainly develops 225 hp at peak hp. Is that engine useful in a truck, no. Water is like a torque convertor sort of so no torque at low rpm isn't a big problem.

20 hp kohler should make 20 hp, its curve may be different but if the deere 40 is really 20 hp she will spin a mower deck just the same. Drawbar power is a whole different animal.

Those 2 hemi's can't run at their peak hp very long, thats a difference in automotive applications vs heavy truck. Run at peak hp they don't have enough cooling for long durations and will simply wear out. I don't doubt the hp rating though, lots of folks are going to dyno them and call them on it.
 
mj-you have it 100% right! Have an '04/Cummins/6 manual/dually/3.73 rear/LB and '06/Hemi/5 auto/2500/3.73 rear/SB; Cummins just keeps getting it (accelerating) on long 6-8% upgrades, pulling 10k# trailer, Hemi empty is shifting all over to maintain speed, lock out 4&5 gears to protect trans and mileage goes even further south. Dually has 192Kmi., Hemi has 123Kmi. Dually gets ~16mpg in hills loaded, 2500 gets ~12.5mpg empty, can't afford to put trailer on it.
 
Your guys must not be good at figuring mileage, no diesel will pull 10000 pounds in hills and get 16 mpg, I've ran duramaxs powerstrokes and cummins and best one loaded I ran got 12 loaded with 12,000 pounds and that was pretty level ground, 2006 hemi only had 345 hp and like 375 torque not over 400 on both
 
Little story for you. I know a young guy who knows everything. He's never been wrong about anything from the time he was 14. Everything he says is correct, everything he owns is the best. He's so smart, he's smarter than the experts and he's 10 times smarter than the people that have been there and done that. True story. I now know two of these guys.
 
Kindly like some of the guys I have worked with over the years. 21 years old and have 40 years experience,but they can't seem to keep a job for very long.
 
(quoted from post at 20:41:39 09/04/14) Little story for you. I know a young guy who knows everything. He's never been wrong about anything from the time he was 14. Everything he says is correct, everything he owns is the best. He's so smart, he's smarter than the experts and he's 10 times smarter than the people that have been there and done that. True story. I now know two of these guys.
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Yeh - got some of them in my circle, too BUT one of them is 75 now and STILL knows everything about anything :roll:
 
(quoted from post at 16:25:40 09/28/14) Most buyers of diesel pickup trucks are little boys who want to be big men.
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Very profound statement :roll: - guess you don't have one ...... right? :?
 

A few years ago it was nearly impossible to buy a pick-up truck with a gas engine big enough to do any serious towing with. If you wanted towing capacity, a diesel was the only option. The EPA stepped in and took care of that by tightening up the emmissions standards, and to meet those new regulations, the diesel engines had to be choked down so much that they wouldn't hardly run. That is why the truck makers are now pushing the new gasoline engines instead of the diesels.
 
(quoted from post at 19:41:39 09/04/14) Little story for you. I know a young guy who knows everything. He's never been wrong about anything from the time he was 14. Everything he says is correct, everything he owns is the best. He's so smart, he's smarter than the experts and he's 10 times smarter than the people that have been there and done that. True story. I now know two of these guys.
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HAHAHA I was waiting for this post the minute I saw the title.
 
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