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Re: Dodge Transmission

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jimg.allentown

02-21-2014 05:08:43
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Well, some prefer stick, and some prefer automatic. All you need to do is drive across Brooklyn with a 9-speed RoadRanger once or twice, and you will be cured of the stick shift. BTDT! Now, I don't drive stick shift unless I am getting PAID for it.

Now for a few pros and cons:
Automatics NEVER miss a shift. There is no way that a human can shift as quickly and accurately as an automatic - especially when climbing a hill and needing a downshift as the engine is lugging down.
Automatics NEVER have to guess what gear to use next as you come out of a turn in town.
Clutches cost a LOT of money to replace.
Contrary to popular belief, manual transmissions DO wear out. And, the internal parts are very expensive. A single gear can cost over $400. A sliding clutch is usually in the $200-$300 range. Bearings are usually in the $60-$75 range. Labor and special tool costs to O/H a stick are high.

Overall, both types of transmissions can be very expensive to repair. Personal preference does come into play. Today's automatics are very dependable and efficient.

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PretendFarmer

02-21-2014 07:32:57
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 Re: Dodge Transmission in reply to jimg.allentown, 02-21-2014 05:08:43  
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Your forming your arguement in a way such as to convince one's self not do something. Your choosing not to drive a stick is fine and all but dont fool yourself.

The cost to overhaul an auto is more expensive. There are exceptions.

Example: the overhaul cost to pay someone to do my 5 speed, in a worst case scenario from (probably) the most recommended shop in the country was $1600.

To pay anyone to overhaul the auto that was once there starts at that cost not counting a converter.

Clutches are very expensive.....if you get one that holds 1000ft-lbs

The one in my truck rated for 600ft-lbs was only $300.

Manuals require more skill to drive. But used as designed, theres no reason why you cant get 400,000 miles out of a typical manual trans.

I can shape an arguement to make auto's look as bad as your making manuals look.

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jimg.allentown

02-22-2014 12:06:02
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 Re: Dodge Transmission in reply to PretendFarmer, 02-21-2014 07:32:57  
Typically, my cost to overhaul an automatic will vary with the transmission, but in general, a complete overhaul kit usually costs me in the vicinity of $300. Some are more, most are less. Adding in the cost of a rebuilt converter at about another $300 and I am up to $600 average plus oil. Hard parts are sometimes another factor, BUT I can usually buy a jumkyard trans (as-is and pulled) for about $80. Even so, a NEW gearset runs in the $300-400 range for most units, and drums average about $75 each.

Overall, I can properly overhaul the average automatic for about $750 for a first class job.

I do know all about the skill required to handle a stick shift. I drove big trucks for 21 years in a combination of OTR and local peddle. In a big truck, I would not give 2 cents for an automatic. In a 4-wheeler or 6-wheeler, the opposite.

Regardless: Automatics are smoother. That is simply a fact of life whether you agree or not. Never had one stall on takeoff. Never had one miss a gear or grind.

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PretendFarmer

02-23-2014 16:29:26
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 Re: Dodge Transmission in reply to jimg.allentown, 02-22-2014 12:06:02  

jimg.allentown said: (quoted from post at 21:06:02 02/22/14) Typically, my cost to overhaul an automatic will vary with the transmission, but in general, a complete overhaul kit usually costs me in the vicinity of $300. Some are more, most are less. Adding in the cost of a rebuilt converter at about another $300 and I am up to $600 average plus oil. Hard parts are sometimes another factor, BUT I can usually buy a jumkyard trans (as-is and pulled) for about $80. Even so, a NEW gearset runs in the $300-400 range for most units, and drums average about $75 each.
Overall, I can properly overhaul the average automatic for about $750 for a first class job.
I do know all about the skill required to handle a stick shift. I drove big trucks for 21 years in a combination of OTR and local peddle. In a big truck, I would not give 2 cents for an automatic. In a 4-wheeler or 6-wheeler, the opposite.
Regardless: Automatics are smoother. That is simply a fact of life whether you agree or not. Never had one stall on takeoff. Never had one miss a gear or grind.


Yes autos never miss a shift. Your prices on transmission parts are for stock parts, at least for a Dodge 47re or 48re. If I was going to overhaul that transmission, theres no way I would go with a stock sloppy converter. At least $500 for a decent converter. When I compare my truck, the answer is easy. IT had an automatic. The auto was upgraded. This improved reliability and towing. It has been swapped for an NV4500 and its like night and day. Tows way better with significantly less engine effort.

When I compare my truck the way it is now, with a manual, to what it was, an automatic, the truck was a DOG compared to how well it tows now.
This post was edited by PretendFarmer at 16:31:59 02/23/14.

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G1355

02-23-2014 18:43:56
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 Re: Dodge Transmission in reply to PretendFarmer, 02-23-2014 16:29:26  
I don't know what to tell you but come time there will be no more manual, look at how semis have changed and how pickups only dodge offers it, in time it will be all automatic whether we like it or not, not saying I don't like the manual, but an automatic anyone can drive and that's the way it will be whether you wanna believe it or not.



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massey333

02-25-2014 06:52:03
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 Re: Dodge Transmission in reply to G1355, 02-23-2014 18:43:56  
Can't speak for GM,but Ford still offers a standard shift for EXPORT ONLY.EPA



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495man

02-25-2014 12:58:18
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 Re: Dodge Transmission in reply to massey333, 02-25-2014 06:52:03  
6.2 Gas with a Tremec 5-speed for Brazil.
Don't think Ford offers 6.7 with manual in any market.



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T in NE

02-21-2014 10:13:19
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 Re: Dodge Transmission in reply to PretendFarmer, 02-21-2014 07:32:57  
The NV5600 can be real expensive to rebuild. If you can find the parts for it.



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