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Re: Ford 6.7 Powerstroke

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PretendFarmer

12-12-2013 07:09:19
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I would never want a 4.56:1 geared gasser over a 3.5:1 geared diesel.
Gassers can't outpull diesels no matter how stupid you are it wont do it.

Just look what you have to do to get the gasser to pull what a diesel would do. 4.56:1 gearing? What are you turning 4000rpm's on the highway. That motor will never ever last as long as a diesel.

Get the proper equipment. I cant stand guys like you who make things do what they shouldnt.
This post was edited by PretendFarmer at 07:18:35 12/12/13.

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blue924.9

12-12-2013 07:42:43
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 Re: Ford 6.7 Powerstroke in reply to PretendFarmer, 12-12-2013 07:09:19  
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no, in the modern world there is such a thing as overdrive, try 2000 rpms, that being said i know a diesel will pull better, but my gasser can do anything i need it to and a heck of a lot cheaper than a diesel



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PretendFarmer

12-12-2013 07:45:57
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 Re: Ford 6.7 Powerstroke in reply to blue924.9, 12-12-2013 07:42:43  
Your full of it and you know it. At 3.55:1 gearing in OVERDRIVE I turn 2000 rpms at 70.



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G1355

12-12-2013 13:38:21
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 Re: Ford 6.7 Powerstroke in reply to PretendFarmer, 12-12-2013 07:45:57  
4:56 gears at 60mph is about 2000rpms and at 75 2500rpms, to run 4500rpms I'm doing about 105-110mph, and a gas will out pull a diesel if geared lower, and I can chip my gas also or supercharge it and get over 150 hp and more than that in torque and it still won't cost more than a diesel. If you take the extra 7500 your spending on a diesel and stick 7500 in a hemi it will out pull a diesel anyday

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Lazy WP

12-22-2013 15:18:50
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 Re: Ford 6.7 Powerstroke in reply to G1355, 12-12-2013 13:38:21  
I REALLY want to know how you are going to "chip" a 79 360!!



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T in NE

12-22-2013 10:28:09
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 Re: Ford 6.7 Powerstroke in reply to G1355, 12-12-2013 13:38:21  
Go ahead and supercharge it, and you'll be paying the same amount for fuel when you have to buy premium to keep it from grenading itself under load.



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farmer boy

12-20-2013 12:26:10
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 Re: Ford 6.7 Powerstroke in reply to G1355, 12-12-2013 13:38:21  
#1. Despite what you claim, your 6500lb truck with 4.56 gears will NEVER get the same mileage as a diesel with 3.73 gears. No way! No how! It would defy the laws of physics. There simply isn't as much energy in gas, and it doesn't burn as efficiently.

#2 You keep talking about cost. Your truck cost MORE than a diesel. Why does this escape you EVERY time it's brought to your attention.

#3 It's a M-Fing Gas. IT WILL NEVER last as long as a diesel. You see diesel pickups all over the place with 300,000-500,000 miles. The same truck with a gas engine MIGHT last 300,000 if you're very nice to it AND get lucky. A well designed and properly maintained diesel engine will always outlast a well designed and properly maintained gas engine.
#3 (a)-Will your truck last 30 years? If not, why the F**k did you bring it up? (b) There are poorly built diesels that are over 30 years old(6.2 Detroit), without a rebuild. Lots of 6.9 Internationals that are coming up on 30 years old. Explain why EVERY real tractor build in the last 40 years is a diesel. It ain't because they pull worse and are more expensive to maintain. A diesel and gas truck share the same body and frame. It's been well established that a diesel will last longer. The only case where a diesel caused a truck to wear noticeably faster(front end) is the Cummins in the 94'-06' Ram.

#4 Everything comes down to math. Let's assume that your truck has 500 lb ft of torque and a diesel has 800 lb ft of torque. The diesel is multiplied 3.73 times through the rear end. Meaning the axles are transmitting 2984lb ft. of torque to the rear tire. The gas is multiplied 4.56 times, to deliver 2280 lb. ft. of torque to the rear wheel. Diesel wins even when the gas has an exaggerated amount of torque. Lets try that again with 560 lbs. ft. of torque for the gas. (an additional 153 lb.ft. of torque over factory) 560x4.56=2553 lb.ft. of torque through the rear axles.

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G1355

12-20-2013 16:51:38
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 Re: Ford 6.7 Powerstroke in reply to farmer boy, 12-20-2013 12:26:10  
It costed more because I bought a Powerwagon, will it last 30 years, you better believe it and it and gonna have a thing wrong with it either, I get 17mpg unloaded and around 8-10 loaded, and if you look what a Powerwagon is equipped with you'll see why it's more, it's kinda like a ford raptor, I can take it across a v ripped field 40mph like a atv and it rides just fine. And a diesel will last that long but its gonna be more to maintain, you can run a gas truck cheaper and that's a fact, and when I got 5 year/ 100,000 mile warranty I don't have nothing to worry about that's why you buy new. Look at trucks from the 70s and 80s there will be more gas trucks left than diesels. Kinda like old gas tractors look there's plenty of them left. We have a 66 oliver my grandpa bought brand new in 1954 and the motor in that has never been rebuilt and still runs like a top.

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farmer boy

12-21-2013 06:07:54
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 Re: Ford 6.7 Powerstroke in reply to G1355, 12-20-2013 16:51:38  
Is english your first language?



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495man

12-22-2013 05:32:40
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 Re: Ford 6.7 Powerstroke in reply to farmer boy, 12-21-2013 06:07:54  
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We know his buddy isn't English as first language:

BeniGoPro

7 months ago

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great ! the bad thing is that grey truck is dead now but we have a 2013 RAM 1500 Sport and dude, it is awesome i can beat every Civic i see ahahah.. BUT, you can work with it my uncle have a 12500 pounds camper and it's the same thing like you. sorry for my bad english lol

As a plus, the 2009 RAM didn't even last FOUR YEARS hahahhaha

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PretendFarmer

12-21-2013 07:29:59
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 Re: Ford 6.7 Powerstroke in reply to farmer boy, 12-21-2013 06:07:54  
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Quote someone so we know who your talking to.



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farmer boy

12-21-2013 08:08:03
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 Re: Ford 6.7 Powerstroke in reply to PretendFarmer, 12-21-2013 07:29:59  
To pretend farmer. I still use Classic View.In classic view it shows me replying to G1355. Modern view and classic view aren't overly compatible when it comes to quoting and replies.



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PretendFarmer

12-13-2013 04:20:48
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 Re: Ford 6.7 Powerstroke in reply to G1355, 12-12-2013 13:38:21  

G1355 said: (quoted from post at 22:38:21 12/12/13) 4:56 gears at 60mph is about 2000rpms and at 75 2500rpms,
to run 4500rpms I'm doing about 105-110mph, and a gas will
out pull a diesel if geared lower, and I can chip my gas also or
supercharge it and get over 150 hp and more than that in
torque and it still won't cost more than a diesel. If you take the
extra 7500 your spending on a diesel and stick 7500 in a hemi
it will out pull a diesel anyday


In an unloaded truck, sure. Otherwise not. No gas engine will get the low rpm load moving torque that a diesel engine does.

Your arguement of gearing down a gasser to make it outpull a diesel is stupid.
Same truck, same GEARS you lose. Even remotely close gearing, you lose.
This post was edited by PretendFarmer at 04:23:49 12/13/13.

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G1355

12-13-2013 05:52:21
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 Re: Ford 6.7 Powerstroke in reply to PretendFarmer, 12-13-2013 04:20:48  
Maybe same gears you'll out pull me, but if you take the extra 7000 or so it takes to get a diesel and stick it in the gas you will not out pull it. That gas will walk all over you. There is a reason there's more gas trucks sold than diesels in the 2500 and 3500s because there cheaper to run and maintain.



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showcrop

12-13-2013 05:02:31
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 Re: Ford 6.7 Powerstroke in reply to PretendFarmer, 12-13-2013 04:20:48  
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A couple years ago I came upon a little car stuck in the ditch on a back road near my place. There was a small P/U chained to it with one tire in a hole and one nearly off the ground. I stopped and then told them that I would be back soon and went to get a chain. So being the arrogant SOB that I am I hooked onto the pick-up and I stayed on the pavement, and pulled them both out simultaneously with my F-350 with 6.0. I didn't even step on the gas just kept it an an idle. After getting it out I noticed that the citiot with the little car had not taken it out of park.

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blue924.9

12-12-2013 12:41:46
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 Re: Ford 6.7 Powerstroke in reply to PretendFarmer, 12-12-2013 07:45:57  
Quoting Removed, click Modern View to see you probably have the old standard .75 to 1 overdrive, now a days the overdrives are around .50 to 1, trust me i drove a trailblazer with 4.56 gears and it turned 2 grand with a .57 overdrive gear, just cuase you have a steeper overdrive gear doesnt mean every one else does. its called the best of both worlds high gears for good acceleration and a mellow overdrive gear for good highway mpgs not only that i could have 5.13 gears and 46 inch tires and turn 2 grand worth of rpms at 110 mph, a smart person contemplates all the factors of engine rpm at speed before telling everyone else they are wrong because they have better gears for towing than you do and are still turning the same or lower rpms

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T in NE

12-22-2013 10:34:30
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 Re: Ford 6.7 Powerstroke in reply to blue924.9, 12-12-2013 12:41:46  
And with any load at all behind that .57 OD gear (or 37 inch mud tires) at 2000 RPM your gas engine is going to need to downshift because it's already well under its torque peak. The diesel will lug down another 300-500 RPM before needing to shift.



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