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Re: I tried,,,, Cant justify a diesel tow vehicle.

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PretendFarmer

09-17-2013 04:15:50
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jimg.allentown said: (quoted from post at 14:39:28 09/16/13) Let me say a few words here about "chips" in your computers....

First let me ask how many of the people in this crowd believe in clean water, air, and soil??

Having been to several manufacturers schools on emissions and emission technology, I have gained a respect for what a manufacturer has to comply with to even get a vehicle to market. All manufacturere that want to sell vehicles in the US have to satisfy THREE major parameters:
EPA - they set limits on emissions of polloutant.

CAFE - they set limits on fuel consumption.

THE PUBLIC - set limits on what they will tolerate in terms of performance and economy.
Now, some kid in a garage somewhere with a computer can take the programming and "improve" it. Yeah. And there is born a faster or more powerful engine that no longer meets the legal standards that the manufacturer had to meet in order to legally sell that vehicle to the public. Then I see one of them going down the highway pouring out thick black smoke......

Not a real big deal seemingly as the smoke slowly dissipates and the air clears....BUT now multiply that by the 10 MILLION or so diesel pickups on the road and what do you get?


If someone is pouring out black smoke, its because they are a complete idiot and their truck is tuned to run like crap and they think its cool.

I own a 97 12valve cummins tuned with minimal smoke.

My buddy drives a new 6.7L cummins with the epa crap gone and tuned. Just had to go through emissions with it and passed with flying colors. That makes me really want to know why they slap all that emissions crap on, when he could easily get it to pass without it. And his mileage has increased big time without it which in turn makes the vehicle better on your beautiful planet because it consumes less.

All in all: you cant stop idiots from being idiots and you'll simply get a big headache trying. Just because idiots are there doesnt mean the vast majority of diesels arent a good or great thing.

So all in all, I drive a diesel because it tows well and because I love to hug trees, like you.
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T in NE

09-17-2013 20:33:00
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 Re: I tried,,,, Cant justify a diesel tow vehicle. in reply to PretendFarmer, 09-17-2013 04:15:50  
If you want to blow smoke like that on the track, go for it. Don't do it on the highway. It's stupid, lowers fuel mileage, and gets people's attention on the matter.

You can get the new ones to run really clean and not blow smoke even with full deletes.

How much smoke my 90 Cummins blows depends on how smoky I feel like making it when I fuel up. But I usually put a pint of 2-stroke in it when I fill it. A quart is too much, my top speed is about 85, and with a full quart in the tank, I can still blow smoke at 75.

Just think, these early Cummins trucks were "green" before green was "green". The engine is capable of running over a half million miles, they don't require any exotic metals or alloys to make batteries, they get 20+ MPG highway, unless it's got 4.10 gears, and they are simple enough to rebuild any of the components that may fail over the weekend in the driveway.

I figure I could spend 2 years worth of new-truck payments on my heap on upgrades, and unless someone runs into it, I can still be driving it long after obsolete or expensive electronics and emi$$ions parts have taken the new one off the road.

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Ken Macfarlane

09-18-2013 12:08:26
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 Re: I tried,,,, Cant justify a diesel tow vehicle. in reply to T in NE, 09-17-2013 20:33:00  
There is more to pollution than soot otherwise we wouldn't have all the stuff on gas vehicles to reduce their pollution.



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jimg.allentown

09-17-2013 07:53:50
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 Re: I tried,,,, Cant justify a diesel tow vehicle. in reply to PretendFarmer, 09-17-2013 04:15:50  
My buddy drives a new 6.7L cummins with the epa crap gone and tuned. Just had to go through emissions with it and passed with flying colors. That makes me really want to know why they slap all that emissions crap on, when he could easily get it to pass without it. And his mileage has increased big time without it which in turn

Not all of the EPA crap works to the good. Much of it is to reduce the NOx emissions. Inherently, diesels have very low CO2 and HC emissions. Their primary emissions that are to be controlled are NOx and particulates. Particulates are the visible portion that shows up as smoke. NOx are oxides of nitrogen that are formed at high combustion temperatures. Passing an emissions test is not an indication of low NOx emissions. NOx tests have to be done under load, and require some very expensive and sophisticated equipment. As such, removing "EPA crap" usually results only in increased NOx emissions, and will pass aftermarket emission tests.

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