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Re: Calling 6.7 Cummings Owners

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G1355

03-24-2013 18:36:58
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Hope a half ton is faster in 0-60 and quarter mile, compare that to a 1500 ram, gaurentee the ram rt is faster, pulling 10,000 pounds the powerwagon would beat it, already did it pulling 375 buschels of soybeans, 60lb a buschels is 22,500 against a ecoboost that only had 325 buschels behind it. And gas mileage I get 16 all day long sometimes 17 you don't need to say 12, I drive one every day and know what it gets. And if you wanna hook um up I'll be glad to drag you around. I mean hitch to hitch and I'll rip off your bumper, the powerwagon is meaner than any f150, gonna need to compare to a f250 to be even.

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farmer boy

03-24-2013 21:57:31
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 Re: Calling 6.7 Cummings Owners in reply to G1355, 03-24-2013 18:36:58  
So Dodge makes a play truck and race truck. Neither are any good. In very simple terms, a Hemi wil NEVER EVER play with an Eco-Boost the way you claim.

#1 Numbers don't lie. The Ecoboost has more torque and a much flatter torque curve. 420lb.ft@2500rpm vs 407lb.ft@4000+rpm. Ecoboost, WITH EQUAL GEARS, will walk all over a Hemi.

#2Next problem. The Eco-Boost has a gvwr of 8200lbs. The PowerWagon has a GVWR of 8510lbs. The PowerWagon will weigh around 6000lbs. The Eco-Boost 5500lbs. What this means is that the POS F-150,(according to you) has more payload than the almighty PowerWagon.

#3 You're comparing a 1/2 ton with 3.55 or 3.73 gears to a 3/4 ton with 4.56 gears. Both trucks with 3.73 gears, the Ecoboost would win. The Ecoboost does more jobs better. It's a commute vehicle, it's a people mover, it can tow, it can do light off roading, you can load the bed heavier than the PowerWagon. All the Powerwagon is good at is heavy offroading. It can't safely and legally tow more than 9375lb fifth wheel trailer. Tongue weight is recommended to be around 16%. With a maximum of 1500lb tongue weight, that's the number you get. It can be used as a commuter and people mover if you can afford the gas. If you're actually getting 16-17mpg(which I doubt), consider yourself lucky. The average, according to other forums, is 12-13.

You have to compare it to the F-150 Ecoboost because the F-250 with a 6.2 and 4.30 gears would put it to shame.

The SRT-10/RT is a race truck. It's meant to go fast, not be a usable truck. It posting better 0-60 times and 1/4 mile times is meaningless to the argument.

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G1355

03-25-2013 05:22:10
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 Re: Calling 6.7 Cummings Owners in reply to farmer boy, 03-24-2013 21:57:31  
Not to mention I outpull my cousins ecoboost all the time, guess if you drove a hemi you'd understand.if you can't beat them join them, so obviously ford can't beat the ram so you might as well join.



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G1355

03-25-2013 05:17:15
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 Re: Calling 6.7 Cummings Owners in reply to farmer boy, 03-24-2013 21:57:31  
To start off you can't put 3:73 in the powerwagon all have 4:56, second off the hemi puts out more than fords 6.2 gas, it puts out 385hp instead of 395hp not sure on ft. Lb.of torque, and you'll say its over 400, but that's peak horsepower, I like companing bhp, to peak. And if you think a powerwagon can only pull a 5th wheel trailer weighing 9375lb hahaha, the skid loader alone I pull weighs more than that, not alone the extra 10 round bales, and for some reason you don't get it, if the ecoboost is so powerful, why isn't it in the 2500 like the hemi.

Not to burst your bubble, 2014 dodge is putting the 6.4 hemi with 475hp in there trucks instead of the 5.7, the same motor as in the srt8 challenger, lets see others compete with that.

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chucksoliver77

03-25-2013 16:32:39
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 Re: Calling 6.7 Cummings Owners in reply to G1355, 03-25-2013 05:17:15  

G1355 said: (quoted from post at 17:17:15 03/25/13) To start off you can't put 3:73 in the powerwagon all have 4:56, second off the hemi puts out more than fords 6.2 gas, it puts out 385hp instead of 395hp not sure on ft. Lb.of torque, and you'll say its over 400, but that's peak horsepower, I like companing bhp, to peak. And if you think a powerwagon can only pull a 5th wheel trailer weighing 9375lb hahaha, the skid loader alone I pull weighs more than that, not alone the extra 10 round bales, and for some reason you don't get it, if the ecoboost is so powerful, why isn't it in the 2500 like the hemi.

Not to burst your bubble, 2014 dodge is putting the 6.4 hemi with 475hp in there trucks instead of the 5.7, the same motor as in the srt8 challenger, lets see others compete with that.
G1355, I wouldn't get to excited about the 6.4 hemi in name only as it is just another dodge engine with big hp numbers and lower perfomance numbers, can't even beat a doggie 5.0 coyote in a drag race hmmmmmmm, chuck
This post was edited by chucksoliver77 at 16:33:25 03/25/13.

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G1355

03-25-2013 18:47:34
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 Re: Calling 6.7 Cummings Owners in reply to chucksoliver77, 03-25-2013 16:32:39  
That srt8 challenger with a six speed manual will beat about anything, ss camaros, gt500 mustangs, and anything else. Not to mention they don't cut out until 183 unlike camaro and mustang at around 148mph.



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farmer boy

03-25-2013 09:51:15
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 Re: Calling 6.7 Cummings Owners in reply to G1355, 03-25-2013 05:17:15  
It's a brand new engine, they introduced it in the most popular truck. That's where the most competition is, they needed something to put them ahead of the competion, and it did. I know that the PowerWagon comes with a 4.56. I said that to really compare the two fairly they should have equal gears. If they both had 3.73, or both had 4.56 gears, the Eco-Boost would win. I screwed up my numbers. I was thinking 1500lb payload. It's actually closer to 2500lb, so if you want to maintain a 16% hitch weight, the maximum LEGAL weight is actually 15,625, which is not what Dodge rates it at. Your aware that HP really doesn't matter? It's all about torque in a truck. What are you talking about with BHP and peak HP. The numbers that Ford and Dodge post are both peak HP. The 6.2 and Hemi are about the same HP and Torque. BUT, and you made this statement, there is no replacement for displacement, and it's not like the Hemi is more technolocically advanced than the 6.2. The 6.2 will win, with equal gears. So Ram is going to put a 6.4 in their trucks. That's not really relevant. If Ford decided to make a 5.0L direct inject dual turbo engine, it would absolutely murder the 6.4, no competition. Nowyou're telling me a company is better because they put a larger engine that uses more fuel. Next you're going to tell me that the 6.4 can average 18mpg. Ecoboost is the future. The Hemi is old, almost dead technology. Direct inject turbo gas and diesels are the future.

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G1355

03-25-2013 14:51:13
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 Re: Calling 6.7 Cummings Owners in reply to farmer boy, 03-25-2013 09:51:15  
Same power lol, 475hp and its gonna be 510ft lb. of torque,there gonna revise it from the car to get more torque, and the ford 6.2 will compete lol, best joke I've ever heard, the 6.2 ford has 385hp and 405ft lb. or torque, the 5.7 hemi has more both, the 6.4 hemi is gonna be WILD.

Click on the link, ford website saying the 6.2 is gonna be very disappointing trying to keep up with the 6.4 next year, because they can barely compete with the 5.7 already.

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farmer boy

03-25-2013 20:53:50
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 Re: Calling 6.7 Cummings Owners in reply to G1355, 03-25-2013 14:51:13  
You've got to pay attention to what I'm saying, I said the 6.2 will outdo the 5.7 Hemi, WITH EQUAL GEARS. Scratch that. YOU said that the 6.2 would outdo the 5.7 Hemi. You were the one that said that "There's no replacement for displacment, which use to be true. Technology is the replacement now. The 5.7 Hemi doesn't have any more technology than the 6.2. The Hemi has more HP(the thing race cars need), they have equal torque, but the Ford has the displacement. Without a doubt, a 5.0L V-8 Eco-Boost, if it existed, would walk all over a 6.4L Hemi in every aspect. From performance to mileage. Look at the 3.5L Eco-Boost. It will keep up with a 5.7 Hemi WITH EQUAL GEARS. I still can't beleive you're dumb enough to think it's fair to compare a truck with 3.55 gears to a truck with 4.56 gears. Do you know why Dodge has 16 plugs in that engine? Do you know why Dodge is offering a diesel in their 1/2 tons? To meet emissions and meet average mileage requirments. Says something for the average mileage of their current line-up. ON TOP OF THAT, the Hemi will be DEAD AS A ROCK in a few years time. Direct inject turbo-charged gas and diesel engines are the future.

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G1355

03-26-2013 05:19:06
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 Re: Calling 6.7 Cummings Owners in reply to farmer boy, 03-25-2013 20:53:50  
Ya the ecoboost may keep up with the hemi, won't out do it, and keep dreaming on that 5.0 ecoboost, the 6.4 is gonna be in its own class, no one will compete next year, and you are saying how bad dodges fuel economy is haha, they have 25mpg in the 1500, might be with a v6 but its the best out of anyone in a truck.



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farmer boy

03-26-2013 05:32:08
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 Re: Calling 6.7 Cummings Owners in reply to G1355, 03-26-2013 05:19:06  
Do you hear yourself? Buy a 5.7 Hemi if you want the same power as an Eco-Boost, buy a V-6 if you want the same mileage. The Eco-Boost offers both power and fuel economy. That's why the Hemi is going to be dead. It's old technology. Look at all the new engines coming out. They're all direct inject turbocharged gas and diesel engines. Now lets talk 6.4 Hemi. The 3.5 can keep up with a 5.7 Hemi. If the HP numbers stayed proportional with displacement, then a 5.0 Eco-Boost could put out 521 hp and 600lb.ft. of torque. If it existed, a 5.0 would run circles around the 6.4. Not only that, the peak HP and peak torque both occur at lower rpm's then in the Hemi, which is preferred in a truck. What good does torque do you at 4000+ rpm.

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G1355

03-26-2013 14:27:07
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 Re: Calling 6.7 Cummings Owners in reply to farmer boy, 03-26-2013 05:32:08  
5.0 ecoboost keep dreaming, no ecoboost will beat a 5.7 hemi, and buy a Prius if your so obsessed with fuel economy,


Can't seem to awnser my question either, why isn't the ecoboost available in f250 if its so great.



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farmer boy

03-26-2013 22:32:21
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 Re: Calling 6.7 Cummings Owners in reply to G1355, 03-26-2013 14:27:07  
You're the one that mentioned the V-6 car engine that gives the Ram the ability to get good mileage. Go to YouTube and take a look at the videos of races. Of the videos I could find, it was about half-half. It's a new engine, it's available in the most popular truck. The one that makes or breaks their truck division. It's incredible how blind you are. We'll see in a few years who was right. The Hemi will be as dead as a 350 SBC. It's over for that crap. It's old almost dead technology. The numbers tell one story, and you just keep telling me how your PowerWagon with 4.56 gears beats your counsin's Eco-Boost 3.55 gears. Not a big surprise. Now put a truck with 3.55 gears and a Hemi and a truck with 3.55 gears and an Eco-Boost against each other,and the difference you claim to be there is gone. Any ability you have to kill an Eco-Boost is because of your final gear ratio. Period. It ain't because of the 5.7 or a superior transmission. There's alot of people who don't have their Daddy's money burning a hole through their pocket. They have to pay for gas, so mileage matters to them. Even a contractor or somebody who uses the truck day in and day out, who use it both as a crew transporter and tow rig, have to worry about mileage. At the end of the day your truck is a toy. I could get the same work done with a 15 year old 3/4 ton Chevy. You don't need all the extra's, it's just an expensive toy to you.

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G1355

03-27-2013 06:06:51
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 Re: Calling 6.7 Cummings Owners in reply to farmer boy, 03-26-2013 22:32:21  
That's alright, everyone needs a toy, its kinda my baby, she gets washed weekly if not two or three times a week, and waxed monthly, and a half ton just wouldn't do what I need it to do, the ecoboost would make me a good grocery getter that's about it. Lol hope you have luck with it, twin turbos sound like a expensive bill after warentees out.



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G1355

03-25-2013 13:29:15
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 Re: Calling 6.7 Cummings Owners in reply to farmer boy, 03-25-2013 09:51:15  
6.4 would eat a twin turbid 5.0, you know you can twin turbo a hemi to and make it even wilder, and what I'll probebly do this summer is buy a bully dog chip for my 5.7 powerwagon and gain 38hp and 50ft lb of torque and then it will be even meaner and a ecoboost still won't stand a chance.



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farmer boy

03-25-2013 20:59:42
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 Re: Calling 6.7 Cummings Owners in reply to G1355, 03-25-2013 13:29:15  
You can chip an ecoboost too. Bully Dog has a chip for 41hp and 44ft.lbs. Ecoboost would still have more torque.



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T in NE

03-28-2013 21:34:47
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 Re: Calling 6.7 Cummings Owners in reply to farmer boy, 03-25-2013 20:59:42  
Ford has plans for a complete line of ecoboost engines. Don"t know what size the V8s will be, but there won"t be any small-blocks keeping up, and still passing a gas station.



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03-29-2013 06:44:11
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 Re: Calling 6.7 Cummings Owners in reply to T in NE, 03-28-2013 21:34:47  
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