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Ok guys looking for some feedback. I currently have a 1500 Ram with the 5.7 hemi and 3.92 rearend with airbags and GN hitch. The truck is great and does all I want of it, but when towing I get 8-11mpg depending on my lead foot, GVW, and terrain. The truck runs daily and has about 60k on it in its 18months of ownerships.

Therefore, I have the opporunity to jump into a 2012 2500 with the 6.7 but have heard ALOT of mixed feedback on the truck. I am looking at a manual 6.7 with 3.73 rearend. I would keep this truck until I kill it which hopefully is a long way off. But I dont want to give up decent mileage just to get a more powerful truck.

So my questions:
1. What kind of mileage are you getting?
2. I know the diesel last longer than the hemi, but is there anyone out there towing with 100k or more on the hemi? Power loss?
3. General input welcomed.

What thoughts do you have to offer? I
 

8-11 mpg while towing is pretty much a given. You won't do any better with a diesel unless you fudge the figures and lie about it. If the truck you have now is getting the job done, I'd keep it.
 
I own a 2011 dually with a 6.7, 3.73 rear, 6 speed, and 4x4. It was pitiful until I did all the deletes, and straight piped it. I get between 16 and 18 driving empty(my driving style is some where between balls out, and grandma goin to sunday meeting) and get 10 towing HEAVY, and 12 with light stuff. The most miserable thing about them stock, is the torque management system thats there to save the clutch. Trying to take off under a heavy load is nearly impossible. The ability to turn that crap off is what lead me to a tuner, better mpg, and less stuff to go wrong is just a happy coincidence. The exhaust brake is a major help to. Long story short if your getting by comfortably with your hemi, I would keep it, if you need a little more go for the 6.7, but im almost positive you will not be happy with it in stock/warrantied form. I voided my warranty at 347 mi.! Thats how much the torque management SUCKS!
 
a friend of mine bought one about a year ago with the 6 speed and hasn't broke 12mpg empty yet. another did all the deletes and now needs a bigger clutch and really sounds like crap with the straight pipe and pi$$e$ of the neighbors with it, but now it gets good milage and has plenty of power, but the clutch slips. Chuck
 
wow after seeing this ill keep my old 5.9, im getting 17 loaded and 25 now empty with 225,000 on it new aint necessarily better
 
I have a 2012 5500,gets 15 empty if you stay under 65 but you play you pay,Had five Fords and they are much better on fuel but I wouldnt want one of the new ones.Got a freightliner and a 9 spd in it and it 10-12 ,Good truck just need to get rid of it.I dont hear of anybody with these new ones doing much as far as mileage.Got a freind with a f350 and he does less than I and the same with the Chevy
 
Our neighbor has a 2003 or 2004 dodge 2500 with a hemi over 250,000 miles and still uses it hard daily, says its been great, and says its been pretty trouble free and still has good power, will never forget when he pulled a 24 row John Deere planter with it, he had the receiver hitch dragging on the ground, he pulled it the 8 miles though.
 
One more thing, if your thinking of getting new or close to new, get the 2012, the 2013 will have diesel exhaust fluid, and the 2012 also has the high output cummins diesel with 800ft lb, torque. Either way gas or diesel will be good, it just depends if you think the diesel will suit you'd better, especially if you tow a lot, guess that's up to you, let us know if you get it, will be a good truck if its a dodge ram.
 
I had a 2006 DuraMax a 2011 Ford and now a 2012 Diesel and they all get the same pulling a load and that is around 9MPG.If you can drive 55 they would get 15 + but anything over and 12MPG is about it.They all pulled great just too much power robbing pollution stuff to get any mileage.I know of older PowerStrokes and Cummings with controllers that get near 20MPG but that is 20 year old technology.
 
THE urea injection on the 13's is supposed to help with fuel mileage through fewer DPF regens.

You can't delete them anymore, the EPA came knocking on the doors of the people making the programmers. The ones who opted to stay in business ended up paying out over 3/4 million dollars for it, and are supposed to buy the tuners back. One company saw the fine and opted to close the doors. The new Smarty tuners are also programmed to reject the ME (emissions delete) programs, so even if you find someone who has the programming, you are SOL.

Next problem is the dealers. The latest computer flash from MOPAR disables the bootloader, which is what allows you to run a tuner. If you have an aftermarket tune loaded and they flash the computer, it de-tunes itself severely until you return it to stock.

The duramax guys I guess are going into the ECM physically to alter it, no tuner, no EPA problems.

The oil companies in North Dakota and Canada are trading the diesels off for gassers, in winter the exhaust can't get hot enough to do a regen, and why bother with a truck that won't run right for 1/2 the year?

You wont' find me in another diesel truck unless it is a 7.3 or a Cummins built before 2003.

And Ford owns Cummings. Cummins builds engines.
 
No ford DOES NOT own cummins, a lot of people think that but ford has nothing to do with cummins, look it up.
 
Ford did actually own a small piece of Cummins. They sold it back to Cummins, and they now have little to do with each other, other than Ford using some Cummins engines in their commercial trucks. Quit with the Ram obsession. There are only a couple good things good about Ram.
#1-Cummins engine #2-Manual transmission. That means that the 1500 and gas 2500/3500 trucks are worthless, because they have neither
 
Yes we know ford once owned stock, no more, and for the 1500, it has a hemi and the 8 speed, both good, for the 2500 and 3500 gas, the have a hemi, and there 6 speed automatic also a very good transmission, and to top it off 3 tons more towing on ford or Chevy, when comparing gas to gas or diesel to diesel, one other thing who else offers a 2500 that will do what a powerwagon will, that's right no one.
 
Someone might go back and read the post title before they jump on my back.

And then re-read my last sentence in the post above.
 
Might be, but ford doesn't own cummins many people say that and need corrected, they owned stock at one time, they don't any more, ford has nothing to do with it, they should look in to using them in there trucks instead of the powerjoke, but the rest of the truck has along was to go to catch up with the dodge ram.
 
The claims you make are crazy. #1, and I pointed this out last time, Dodge has the worst GWVR in the industry. On the lowest package available, Dodge has an 8,650 gvwr, Chevy has a 9,500 gvwr, and Ford has a 9,900lb gvwr.
With better models, Chevy goes up to 9,900 lbs and Dodge goes up to 9,000lbs with the diesel, but that only covers the extra weight of the diesel.

A 2012 Ram 2500 gas with 4.10 gears 4x4 has a tow rating of 13,800lbs and a payload rating of 2618lbs.

A 2012 Ford has a tow rating of 15,300lbs with 4.30 gears and 4x4 and a payload rating of 3790lbs.
I can"t seem to find the #"s for Chevy, but what I have so far proves that your "3 tons more tow capacity" claim is pure crap.

You previously went on about how the Eco-boost isn"t a proven engine yet. Guess what? Neither is the 8-speed. We have yet to see what it can take, whether towing 10,000lbs is going to fry it or not. You keep forgetting the Raptor. It will do everything the PowerWagon will do. Only difference is Ford can do with a 1/2 ton what Dodge needs a 3/4 ton to do.
 
If you look at the post title, it says "cumminGs".

I wrote "ford owns cumminGs, cummins makes engines"

Did you not go back and look again?
 
You are kidding right? The rest of the truck has along way to go to catch up with RAM? Ford has never really had major quality issues like Ram has. #1, They have a great frame. #2 They have great axles. #3. They have good suspension. I seem to recall Dodge having the worst front suspension known to mankind from 1994-2007/8. Does death wobble ring a bell? #4 The 7.3 and 6.7 are both great engines with VERY few problems. Ford transmissions are no more problematic than Dodge's transmissions

It's been said that the ultimate truck would be a Ford chassis/body with a Cummins and an Allison transmission.

Who, in your opinion, makes/uses the best/most durable chassis, engine, body and transmission.
 
Well to start off, i think dodge best frame, and the 2010 and newer defiantly rides better than ford, Chevy has the transmission, but in the gas trucks including 2500 and bigger dodge has there new 6 speed is good, not an Allison but its good. Better than Chevy or fords gas truck transmissions, and looks as the body is opinion and I like the dodge ram, and gmc/Chevy is 2nd.... If I had to choose another brand it would be a Chevy or gmc, preferably a gmc

We all have our favorites and not everyone will agree, it's just the way life is.
 
No the raptor will not, that is not a rock climbing muddin truck, that is made for jumping, it's a trophy truck, completely different, the raptor is comparable to the ram runner, the powerwagon is its own class, no competitors, helps when you know what a raptor and powerwagon is.
 
With front/rear differentials, no other truck has, including other dodges, gas shocks, 12,000 pound warn winch, unhook able sway bar, for 18 inches of movement on the front axle, skid plates, 180 amp alternator, 33 inch bf Goodrich tires, on 17" aluminum rims, 3 inches more clearance than any other 2500. And more. The powerwagon option is 900 dollars more than the cummins.
 
Not to mention FASTEST growing truck brand in America. Oh and the air ride on 1500 with leveling suspension is neat also. Know gm and Cadillac have used it on cars and suburbans/escalades. But will be nice on a 1500 truck,, probebly be on the 2500 and bigger in the near future, if airride holds up on semis it will hold up on a pickup.
 
(quoted from post at 06:00:42 03/25/13) With front/rear differentials, no other truck has, including other dodges, gas shocks, 12,000 pound warn winch, unhook able sway bar, for 18 inches of movement on the front axle, skid plates, 180 amp alternator, 33 inch bf Goodrich tires, on 17" aluminum rims, 3 inches more clearance than any other 2500. And more. The powerwagon option is 900 dollars more than the cummins.
sounds like the power wagon is good at what it was made for, something to play with and not a work truck. lets compare it to the f150 ecoboost. ram first: cost $10,000 plus more, can tow 10800 without voiding the warranty, max. payload 1880lbs. 0-60 in 8.73 seconds, 1/4 mile [email protected] mph and average less than 12mpg. wow what a truck. Now the f150: can tow 11,300 , max. payload 2860lbs. 0-60 in 6.82 seconds, 1/4 mile in [email protected] mph and my ecoboost averages 18+mpg local and 20+ highway, wow what a dog, Chuck
 
Hope a half ton is faster in 0-60 and quarter mile, compare that
to a 1500 ram, gaurentee the ram rt is faster, pulling 10,000
pounds the powerwagon would beat it, already did it pulling
375 buschels of soybeans, 60lb a buschels is 22,500 against a
ecoboost that only had 325 buschels behind it. And gas
mileage I get 16 all day long sometimes 17 you don't need to
say 12, I drive one every day and know what it gets. And if you
wanna hook um up I'll be glad to drag you around. I mean
hitch to hitch and I'll rip off your bumper, the powerwagon is
meaner than any f150, gonna need to compare to a f250 to be
even.
 
(quoted from post at 06:36:58 03/25/13) Hope a half ton is faster in 0-60 and quarter mile, compare that
to a 1500 ram, gaurentee the ram rt is faster, pulling 10,000
pounds the powerwagon would beat it, already did it pulling
375 buschels of soybeans, 60lb a buschels is 22,500 against a
ecoboost that only had 325 buschels behind it. And gas
mileage I get 16 all day long sometimes 17 you don't need to
say 12, I drive one every day and know what it gets. And if you
wanna hook um up I'll be glad to drag you around. I mean
hitch to hitch and I'll rip off your bumper, the powerwagon is
meaner than any f150, gonna need to compare to a f250 to be
even.
Well here it is, the test results direct from the 2013 motor trend truck of the year web site, and note the 3.92 gears, Chuck
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And is the ford your comparing a 4 door, extended cab or two
door, and your still not comparing the ram rt, that's the fastest
truck they make in 2012-2013.

If you wanna talk speed who made the fastest truck, oh yeah
dodge the srt10 Guinness book of world record, if you don't
believe me, and my brother owns one, fastest thing I've ever
drove/rode in. 505hp with a 6 speed manual. Gaurentee that
will put an ecoboost to shame.
 
Not to mention the one with the hemi does not have the 8
speed which would make it slower, when the v6 beats the
hemi in the 1/4 mile there is something wrong, find the 8speed
and hemi specs.
 
So Dodge makes a play truck and race truck. Neither are any good. In very simple terms, a Hemi wil NEVER EVER play with an Eco-Boost the way you claim.

#1 Numbers don't lie. The Ecoboost has more torque and a much flatter torque curve. 420lb.ft@2500rpm vs 407lb.ft@4000+rpm. Ecoboost, WITH EQUAL GEARS, will walk all over a Hemi.

#2Next problem. The Eco-Boost has a gvwr of 8200lbs. The PowerWagon has a GVWR of 8510lbs. The PowerWagon will weigh around 6000lbs. The Eco-Boost 5500lbs. What this means is that the POS F-150,(according to you) has more payload than the almighty PowerWagon.

#3 You're comparing a 1/2 ton with 3.55 or 3.73 gears to a 3/4 ton with 4.56 gears. Both trucks with 3.73 gears, the Ecoboost would win. The Ecoboost does more jobs better. It's a commute vehicle, it's a people mover, it can tow, it can do light off roading, you can load the bed heavier than the PowerWagon. All the Powerwagon is good at is heavy offroading. It can't safely and legally tow more than 9375lb fifth wheel trailer. Tongue weight is recommended to be around 16%. With a maximum of 1500lb tongue weight, that's the number you get. It can be used as a commuter and people mover if you can afford the gas. If you're actually getting 16-17mpg(which I doubt), consider yourself lucky. The average, according to other forums, is 12-13.

You have to compare it to the F-150 Ecoboost because the F-250 with a 6.2 and 4.30 gears would put it to shame.

The SRT-10/RT is a race truck. It's meant to go fast, not be a usable truck. It posting better 0-60 times and 1/4 mile times is meaningless to the argument.
 
To start off you can't put 3:73 in the powerwagon all have 4:56, second off the hemi puts out more than fords 6.2 gas, it puts out 385hp instead of 395hp not sure on ft. Lb.of torque, and you'll say its over 400, but that's peak horsepower, I like companing bhp, to peak. And if you think a powerwagon can only pull a 5th wheel trailer weighing 9375lb hahaha, the skid loader alone I pull weighs more than that, not alone the extra 10 round bales, and for some reason you don't get it, if the ecoboost is so powerful, why isn't it in the 2500 like the hemi.

Not to burst your bubble, 2014 dodge is putting the 6.4 hemi with 475hp in there trucks instead of the 5.7, the same motor as in the srt8 challenger, lets see others compete with that.
 
Not to mention I outpull my cousins ecoboost all the time, guess if you drove a hemi you'd understand.if you can't beat them join them, so obviously ford can't beat the ram so you might as well join.
 
It's a brand new engine, they introduced it in the most popular truck. That's where the most competition is, they needed something to put them ahead of the competion, and it did. I know that the PowerWagon comes with a 4.56. I said that to really compare the two fairly they should have equal gears. If they both had 3.73, or both had 4.56 gears, the Eco-Boost would win. I screwed up my numbers. I was thinking 1500lb payload. It's actually closer to 2500lb, so if you want to maintain a 16% hitch weight, the maximum LEGAL weight is actually 15,625, which is not what Dodge rates it at. Your aware that HP really doesn't matter? It's all about torque in a truck. What are you talking about with BHP and peak HP. The numbers that Ford and Dodge post are both peak HP. The 6.2 and Hemi are about the same HP and Torque. BUT, and you made this statement, there is no replacement for displacement, and it's not like the Hemi is more technolocically advanced than the 6.2. The 6.2 will win, with equal gears. So Ram is going to put a 6.4 in their trucks. That's not really relevant. If Ford decided to make a 5.0L direct inject dual turbo engine, it would absolutely murder the 6.4, no competition. Nowyou're telling me a company is better because they put a larger engine that uses more fuel. Next you're going to tell me that the 6.4 can average 18mpg. Ecoboost is the future. The Hemi is old, almost dead technology. Direct inject turbo gas and diesels are the future.
 
6.4 would eat a twin turbid 5.0, you know you can twin turbo a hemi to and make it even wilder, and what I'll probebly do this summer is buy a bully dog chip for my 5.7 powerwagon and gain 38hp and 50ft lb of torque and then it will be even meaner and a ecoboost still won't stand a chance.
 
Same power lol, 475hp and its gonna be 510ft lb. of torque,there gonna revise it from the car to get more torque, and the ford 6.2 will compete lol, best joke I've ever heard, the 6.2 ford has 385hp and 405ft lb. or torque, the 5.7 hemi has more both, the 6.4 hemi is gonna be WILD.

Click on the link, ford website saying the 6.2 is gonna be very disappointing trying to keep up with the 6.4 next year, because they can barely compete with the 5.7 already.
Ford website
 
(quoted from post at 17:17:15 03/25/13) To start off you can't put 3:73 in the powerwagon all have 4:56, second off the hemi puts out more than fords 6.2 gas, it puts out 385hp instead of 395hp not sure on ft. Lb.of torque, and you'll say its over 400, but that's peak horsepower, I like companing bhp, to peak. And if you think a powerwagon can only pull a 5th wheel trailer weighing 9375lb hahaha, the skid loader alone I pull weighs more than that, not alone the extra 10 round bales, and for some reason you don't get it, if the ecoboost is so powerful, why isn't it in the 2500 like the hemi.

Not to burst your bubble, 2014 dodge is putting the 6.4 hemi with 475hp in there trucks instead of the 5.7, the same motor as in the srt8 challenger, lets see others compete with that.
G1355, I wouldn't get to excited about the 6.4 hemi in name only as it is just another dodge engine with big hp numbers and lower perfomance numbers, can't even beat a doggie 5.0 coyote in a drag race hmmmmmmm, chuck
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That srt8 challenger with a six speed manual will beat about
anything, ss camaros, gt500 mustangs, and anything else. Not
to mention they don't cut out until 183 unlike camaro and
mustang at around 148mph.
 
Might be, watch them on drag strip, must of been a lady drivin
because I've watched them beat zr1 camaros, they are very
fast, and would beat a charger.
 
You've got to pay attention to what I'm saying, I said the 6.2 will outdo the 5.7 Hemi, WITH EQUAL GEARS. Scratch that. YOU said that the 6.2 would outdo the 5.7 Hemi. You were the one that said that "There's no replacement for displacment, which use to be true. Technology is the replacement now. The 5.7 Hemi doesn't have any more technology than the 6.2. The Hemi has more HP(the thing race cars need), they have equal torque, but the Ford has the displacement. Without a doubt, a 5.0L V-8 Eco-Boost, if it existed, would walk all over a 6.4L Hemi in every aspect. From performance to mileage. Look at the 3.5L Eco-Boost. It will keep up with a 5.7 Hemi WITH EQUAL GEARS. I still can't beleive you're dumb enough to think it's fair to compare a truck with 3.55 gears to a truck with 4.56 gears. Do you know why Dodge has 16 plugs in that engine? Do you know why Dodge is offering a diesel in their 1/2 tons? To meet emissions and meet average mileage requirments. Says something for the average mileage of their current line-up. ON TOP OF THAT, the Hemi will be DEAD AS A ROCK in a few years time. Direct inject turbo-charged gas and diesel engines are the future.<A 5.7 Hemi will never equal the mileage of an Eco-Boost. Maybe 3.73 Eco vs 3.55 Hemi, but gear for gear, no chance. The only way you can get a Ram 1500 with the same towing capacity as an Eco-boost is to get a 2wd WT with 4.10 gears. So to be able to tow the same, you're going to have to sacrafice mileage and 4x4
 
You can chip an ecoboost too. Bully Dog has a chip for 41hp and 44ft.lbs. Ecoboost would still have more torque.
 
Ya the ecoboost may keep up with the hemi, won't out do it, and keep dreaming on that 5.0 ecoboost, the 6.4 is gonna be in its own class, no one will compete next year, and you are saying how bad dodges fuel economy is haha, they have 25mpg in the 1500, might be with a v6 but its the best out of anyone in a truck.
 
Do you hear yourself? Buy a 5.7 Hemi if you want the same power as an Eco-Boost, buy a V-6 if you want the same mileage. The Eco-Boost offers both power and fuel economy. That's why the Hemi is going to be dead. It's old technology. Look at all the new engines coming out. They're all direct inject turbocharged gas and diesel engines. Now lets talk 6.4 Hemi. The 3.5 can keep up with a 5.7 Hemi. If the HP numbers stayed proportional with displacement, then a 5.0 Eco-Boost could put out 521 hp and 600lb.ft. of torque. If it existed, a 5.0 would run circles around the 6.4. Not only that, the peak HP and peak torque both occur at lower rpm's then in the Hemi, which is preferred in a truck. What good does torque do you at 4000+ rpm.
 
I see I'm late but I'll chime in anyways. I have a 2007 3500 megacab SRW 4x4 with the 6.7 and 6sd auto trans. I have 310,000 miles on it. The usual brakes, tires and u-joints. The front end has been rebuilt once at 175,000 (ball joints, steering linkage and hub bearings). Oil changed every 5000 miles, trans flushed every 50,000 miles. Yes, all the emissions are deleted. Like others have said, 10mpg when loaded heavy, 12-14 mpg when loaded light and 18mpg empty driven daily. I have made several trips empty with the cruise set at 60 mph and have seen 22-24 mpg. I love my truck and plan on taking it to a million.

Casey in SD
 
5.0 ecoboost keep dreaming, no ecoboost will beat a 5.7 hemi, and buy a Prius if your so obsessed with fuel economy,


Can't seem to awnser my question either, why isn't the ecoboost available in f250 if its so great.
 
You're the one that mentioned the V-6 car engine that gives the Ram the ability to get good mileage. Go to YouTube and take a look at the videos of races. Of the videos I could find, it was about half-half. It's a new engine, it's available in the most popular truck. The one that makes or breaks their truck division. It's incredible how blind you are. We'll see in a few years who was right. The Hemi will be as dead as a 350 SBC. It's over for that crap. It's old almost dead technology. The numbers tell one story, and you just keep telling me how your PowerWagon with 4.56 gears beats your counsin's Eco-Boost 3.55 gears. Not a big surprise. Now put a truck with 3.55 gears and a Hemi and a truck with 3.55 gears and an Eco-Boost against each other,and the difference you claim to be there is gone. Any ability you have to kill an Eco-Boost is because of your final gear ratio. Period. It ain't because of the 5.7 or a superior transmission. There's alot of people who don't have their Daddy's money burning a hole through their pocket. They have to pay for gas, so mileage matters to them. Even a contractor or somebody who uses the truck day in and day out, who use it both as a crew transporter and tow rig, have to worry about mileage. At the end of the day your truck is a toy. I could get the same work done with a 15 year old 3/4 ton Chevy. You don't need all the extra's, it's just an expensive toy to you.
 
That's alright, everyone needs a toy, its kinda my baby, she gets washed weekly if not two or three times a week, and waxed monthly, and a half ton just wouldn't do what I need it to do, the ecoboost would make me a good grocery getter that's about it. Lol hope you have luck with it, twin turbos sound like a expensive bill after warentees out.
 
Ford has plans for a complete line of ecoboost engines. Don"t know what size the V8s will be, but there won"t be any small-blocks keeping up, and still passing a gas station.
 
(quoted from post at 21:34:47 03/28/13) Ford has plans for a complete line of ecoboost engines. Don"t know what size the V8s will be, but there won"t be any small-blocks keeping up, and still passing a gas station.

What you save at the pump will be more than lost at the repair shop.
 
Well Ford Frame Are some of the Worst/ Extra Hole made in Them,Great Axals Dana Axals Are Made By Chysler Corp =Made Cheaper for Ford Trucks /Ford Trucks Needing Extra Springs Added to Keep The truck Riding Level /Bumper Draging on the Road /Death Wobble = Stablizer Cylinder =even Fords Used Them /7.3 ,6.7 Ford [ IH ,Ford Junk Shared Motors] ,Most of the ones Around here Need Repairs or Replacement by ther time they get 50000-150000 miles on them, Good Where ? /Transmissions Most of Fords Transmissions are made for them ,at Chysler Corp Factorys .As for Cummins Motor in a Ford Trucks = to Dodge trucks / Cant Happen Do to the Contract with DODGE & CASE [Tennico Corp ]Who Fronted The Dollers To Come Up with these New Style Cummins Motors/ If Dodge trucks Use the Motors = Ford Can NOT Use them.
 
DC, you have some factual issues. Dana Corp is not part of Chrysler and in the larger Ford trucks they use a Sterling axle. Chrysler and GM both use AAM (American Axle Manufacturing) axles...
 
I have an 07 2500 6.7 with the 6 speed auto. Thought I would give it a try. Its day and night difference from the old 48RE. Mine has not been deleted yet. All deletes are laying in the floor of the shop just haven't had time to put them on. Right now I get 18-19 over a tank of fuel not towing if I stay under 70. Towing 20,000lbs it gets about 8-9. None of the towing was on interstates yet so I can't help there. The 6 spd manual would be a lot better I would think. My father has an 07 3500 auto deleted. He sees 22-24 on the highway. 12 towing light. His deletes were paid for in 4 months with the savings in fuel cost. Like someone else said. If you are getting new find a 2012 model and stay away from the DEF fluid models of 2013. They are more of a pain to worry with. Once its deleted its just like owning a 5.9 except you have a little more torque. Hope this helps.

Chris
 

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