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ericlb

12-06-2012 04:12:34
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looks like 2 different issues to me, first as long as your hauling your equipment on your trailer, behind your truck, and you are not hauling for money , or any kind of compensation you dont need a dot number, however in most states license data it states that you are limited to pulling a trailer which weighs 10,000 lbs or less, unless you have a class A cdl the license is not necessarily related to the dot number, the license is for making sure that if your going to pull that much weight, you have the proper training to do so safely,the dot number is for tracking commercial trucking, [ pulling somebody else s freight on your trailer for pay]you dont have to have a big rig to need a dot number, any vehicle which hauls or pulls freight not owned by you, for your use, for pay, is required to have a dot number now , here in nm, the ratings are visible on the back of my cdl class A license as to how much trailer weight each class can handle, all except class A are limited to 10,000 lbs gross weight

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Shetland Sheepdog

12-08-2012 07:12:22
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 Re: D.O.T. in reply to ericlb, 12-06-2012 04:12:34  
Eric, it is my understanding that a CDL is not needed for a truck/trailer combination that weighs 26,000 lbs or less. I believe the law reads "more than 26,000 lbs GCWR and trailer GVWR of more than 10,000 lbs require a CDL-A" the key here being the word "and" not "or"!

I operate a truck/trailer combination where the truck GVWR is 9,900 lbs and the trailer GVWR is 14,000 lbs giving me a GCWR of 23,900 lbs, so no CDL required.

Further, if the GCWR is over 26,000 lbs, but the towed vehicle (trailer) GVWR is 10,000 lbs or less, then a CDL-B would suffice.

JMHO, HTH, Dave

Edit: this is my understanding of the regulations in NH, YMMV
This post was edited by Shetland Sheepdog at 07:18:27 12/08/12.

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John in La

12-08-2012 08:19:39
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 Re: D.O.T. in reply to Shetland Sheepdog, 12-08-2012 07:12:22  
Sheepdog
Every thing you said is true but you did not tell the whole truth.

Lets look at ..................
Further, if the GCWR is over 26,000 lbs, but the towed vehicle (trailer) GVWR is 10,000 lbs or less, then a CDL-B would suffice.

This is true only if the GVWR of the truck is over 26000 lbs.

If the GCWR is over 26000 lbs but the trailer is under 10000 lbs and the truck is under 26000 lbs no cdl is needed.

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Shetland Sheepdog

12-08-2012 09:54:55
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 Re: D.O.T. in reply to John in La, 12-08-2012 08:19:39  
John, I'm not 100% positive, but I think that the GCWR needs to be under 26,001 in NH for the exception, but I could be wrong!

Dave

Edit: Here's how it applies in NH

•Class A: Combination vehicle weighing over 26,001 pounds with the trailer weighing over 10,000 pounds
•Class B: Single or combination vehicle weighing over 26,001 pounds and a trailer weighing less than 10,000 pounds
•Class C: Vehicles weighing 26,000 pounds or less, carrying hazardous materials or transporting 16 or more passengers

The statement under Class B that says "single or combination vehicle weighing" is what leads me to believe that one would need a CDL-B to legally operate a truck rated 23,000 lbs pulling a trailer rated 5,000 lbs in NH.
This post was edited by Shetland Sheepdog at 14:01:49 12/08/12.

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John in La

12-08-2012 14:32:16
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 Re: D.O.T. in reply to Shetland Sheepdog, 12-08-2012 09:54:55  
While a state CAN make the rules stricter than the federal guidelines I have never seen one that does. N.H. follows the federal guidelines and what I stated is true.



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ericlb

12-06-2012 04:31:31
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 Re: D.O.T. in reply to ericlb, 12-06-2012 04:12:34  
one of the reasons i got educated on this here was about 5 years ago one of my old man friends got tagged for the same thing, he was in his 80's then, had one eye and had trucked and farmed all his life, due to his one eye he was limited to pulling a 26 foot pup trailer by the state, he would buy a whole barn full of hay, then travel about 150 miles round trip and get 300 bales at the time and haul them back up here, old charlie wasnt hurting anybody, just trying to stay active doing something, but they made him get a cdl class A as well as a dot number too in his 80's because as they said, while your are hauling your owned hay, on your owned trailer behind your owned tractor, charlie, your selling the hay! so the way we see it your still a commercial trucker

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