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Re: CDL lesson 2

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07-22-2012 10:54:39

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John in La said: (quoted from post at 18:49:22 07/14/12) ...Please be honest with your answers. Do not look at the other answers and try to make up your mind from what someone else said. This is not to see if you got it wrong or right but rather a percentage of right and wrong answers. Heck post under a different name if you want to.

If I can get my hands on the new book with the rule changes for 2012 we might even cover that later. From what I have heard (do not know for sure) there may be some very interesting changes being made that may help a lot of you guys

John, you bring up a lot of good points in these discussions but I find the whole subject to be very discouraging. It discourages me to the point that I don't feel comfortable pulling a 14K trailer with my 9,900 GVW GMC pickup in NY, NJ and PA without a CDL. I know I will need the DOT registration but there's no way I'm going for a CDL at this stage of my business, especially since I know it's not required by law or regulation.

But as you can see from this thread and your other one there is so much mis-information and mis-interpretation out there even amongst law enforcement that the whole thing stinks.

What have you heard about changes coming (I realize you said not for sure yet)?
This post was edited by Anthony at 10:59:49 07/22/12 2 times.

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07-22-2012 13:46:04

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 Re: CDL lesson 2 in reply to Anthony, 07-22-2012 10:54:39  
Anthony Any changes in the wording will not effect you because you said the magic words......
my business

The law is very clear that you do not need a CDL with the truck you have listed because you are under 26,000 gcwr. Even the federal interpretation of the law covers it in 383.91
Question 2. You could always go threw both of these post and print out the links I have given and carry them in your truck.

I try to have these discussions because there is so much mis-information and mis-interpretation out there. I try to give my interpretation but I also give the link to the law so anyone can read it and show me where I am wrong.

You should also be safe from IRP and IFTA with this truck/trailer combo since most of those rules also start at 26,000 lbs.
What you are going to need is a medical card and a DOT#. To get that you need the min levels of insurance. Your state may also require a Chauffeur License.

Do not get discouraged. It is fairly easy to start a trucking company today. All you need to do is follow the federal rules as they are laid out. Twenty years ago you would not even be allowed to think about starting a company without some very deep pockets or knowing the right person.

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07-23-2012 06:00:30

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 Re: CDL lesson 2 in reply to John in La, 07-22-2012 13:46:04  
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John, my "business" is only a farm, not a trucking company, and it is barely profitable; most years I show a loss to IRS. But I do haul equipment (my own) and produce (purchased for resale) across state lines.

I know I don't need a CDL, but it's the mis-information out there that makes me nervous. I guess I will just keep going and take it as it comes.

In NY even 3/4 ton pickups have DOT numbers on them for pulling landscape trailers. Take my 1-ton SRW truck, 9,900 GVW. As soon as I hook any trailer on I'm over 10K. NY considers farm a business so I need the DOT and whatever goes along with that.

Thanks for the information.

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08-05-2012 07:18:21

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 Re: CDL lesson 2 in reply to Anthony, 07-23-2012 06:00:30  
Anthony, your farm IS a business, there is no question about that. And in NY, even a 1/2 ton PU with a trailer can be commercial and need the DOT #. Why? Because our beloved NY Legislature adopted the USDOT regs a few years back- the whole shebang! That's why we no longer have the non-CDL class C here that used to be required to operate a truck between 18 and 26K. NY was always 7-10 years behind the rest of the country, so they just blindly adopted the regs entirely and that got us to this point. We spent more time educating farmers, landscapers, firewood haulers, etc. on what they needed to do to comply than anything else. It's not all that hard or expensive- the DOT # is free and in your case you'll only be subject to inspection when you have the trailer hooked, same as me with my 16 foot stock trailer. So 2 simple handmade signs with your DOT# and name/farm name/whatever, fire extinguisher, triangles, fuses, tie down, etc. and all the rest is just upkeep. I;m completely serious when I advise you to contact your local NYSP Barracks and to get in touch with any of the CVEU members if you have questions. I spent many, many hours at a guys farm or business going over his trucks and trailers and equipment before he ever even hit the road to get them legal. It's not hard and no one is going to be "out to get you" for asking. The NY Farm Bureau also publishes a handbook in regs, rules and exemptions that the CVEU are issued that is very helpful.

90% of the problems I saw on the road from small timers could have been prevented with a simple phone call for information. We never pounded the guys trying to do things right, but those who knew they were wrong and just played dumb got little sympathy. After you stop that guy the 3rd time in a week doing the same illegal and dangerous thing your tolerance level drops significantly. OTH, in the 6 years I spent as a NYSP DOT Trooper, I met a lot of really good folks that I still enjoy a friendship with today. Half the battle can be won with a little effort in making that first phone call.

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07-22-2012 16:31:35

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 Re: CDL lesson 2 in reply to John in La, 07-22-2012 13:46:04  
Anthony, I don't think anyone that is pulling a trailer with 4 tires with a truck with 4 tires has anything to worry about. The majority of people with that setup is exempt from most of the ugly rules.

The way I read the rules, anyone with a 6+ tire gooseneck (20,000+ GVW) needs to worry and anyone with a dually pickup newer than about 2004 needs to worry if they pull anything bigger than a small car hauler.

I personally have a 2004 dually with 11,500 GVW and a 14,000 GVW trailer. I know I don't need a CDL. The problem will be convincing the DOT officer that I don't need a CDL.

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07-23-2012 06:06:44

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 Re: CDL lesson 2 in reply to JimEvans, 07-22-2012 16:31:35  
Jim, you summed it up in the last paragraph

JimEvans said: (quoted from post at 16:31:35 07/22/12)

I personally have a 2004 dually with 11,500 GVW and a 14,000 GVW trailer. I know I don't need a CDL. The problem will be convincing the DOT officer that I don't need a CDL.

I'm like you, I know I don't need a CDL, but it's unfortunate that we might have to convince law enforcement of that.
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