Yesterday's Tractor Co. We Have the Tractor Parts You Need
Click Here or call 800-853-2651 
   Allis Chalmers Case Farmall IH Ford 8N,9N,2N Ford
   Ferguson John Deere Massey Ferguson Minn. Moline Oliver
 
Marketplace
Tractor Manuals
Tractor Parts
Classified Ads
Photo Ads

Community
Discussion Forums
Project Journals
Tractor Town
Your Stories
Show & Pull Guide
Events Calendar
Hauling Schedule

Galleries
Tractor Photos
Implement Photos
Vintage Photos
Help Identify
Parts & Pieces
Stuck & Troubled
Vintage Ads
Community Album
Photo Ad Archives

Research & Info
Articles
Tractor Registry
Tip of the Day
Safety Cartoons
Tractor Values
Serial Numbers
Tune-Up Guide
Paint Codes
List Prices
Production Nbrs
Tune-Up Specs
Torque Values
3-Point Specs
Glossary

Miscellaneous
Tractor Games
Just For Kids
Virtual Show
Museum Guide
Memorial Page
Feedback Form

Yesterday's Tractors Facebook Page

Related Sites
Tractor Shed
TractorLinks.com
Ford 8N/9N Club
Today's Tractors
Garden Tractors
Classic Trucks
Kountry Life
Enter your email address to receive our newsletter!

subscribe
unsubscribe
  
Discussion Forum

New Kaufman trailer. Very Disappointed.

Author  [Modern View]
FordManiac

07-16-2012 17:03:45
72.11.37.183



Report to Moderator

Guys i recently bought a kaufman 20' 14K trailer. I must say this is the worst trailer ive owned. I have a 2008 F250 and have pulled my ford 3910 tractor and bush hog many times on 3 different trailers. It has always pulled and towed great. However with this new trailer it jerks and bucks truck like theres no tomorrow. What could cause this harsh towing? Driving me crazy. The other trailers were 18 footers. Please help.
Thanks

[Reply]   [No Email]
Jr. roby

07-24-2012 17:42:08
67.142.179.23



Report to Moderator
 Re: New Kaufman trailer. Very Disappointed. in reply to FordManiac, 07-16-2012 17:03:45  
they dont have fix a flat in tires do they



[Reply]  [No Email]
FordManiac

07-24-2012 17:57:28
72.11.37.183



Report to Moderator
 Re: New Kaufman trailer. Very Disappointed. in reply to Jr. roby, 07-24-2012 17:42:08  
No the tires are brand new.



[Reply]  [No Email]
FordManiac

07-30-2012 07:21:43
174.252.183.246



Report to Moderator
 Re: New Kaufman trailer. Very Disappointed. in reply to FordManiac, 07-24-2012 17:57:28  
Ok so took the trailer to a service shop and the first thing he said was part of issue was in the adjustable hitch portion of the trailer. He got up on the tongue and started bouncing his weight and i could see the play. He said on any Trailer of that weight would send alot of felt energy to tow venhicle if free play exist in connection. As much as i hated to do it we welded up adjustable tongue of trailer. It is better now at least with empty trailer. This weekend i will test it loaded.

[Reply]  [No Email]
bg/mo

07-23-2012 17:08:17
166.203.45.89



Report to Moderator
 Re: New Kaufman trailer. Very Disappointed. in reply to FordManiac, 07-16-2012 17:03:45  
How do you have the hitch set on the trailer? when i built my gooseneck it bucked and jerked till i raised the hitch up to make the trailer a little high in the front so when loaded it would be level. I doubt that the axles are too far off.



[Reply]  [No Email]
FordManiac

07-23-2012 18:15:05
72.11.37.183



Report to Moderator
 Re: New Kaufman trailer. Very Disappointed. in reply to bg/mo, 07-23-2012 17:08:17  
Its fairly level but i moved it trying to fix the issue. May try to put it back one more time just to be sure. I did speak with repair shop and they are telling me there is some sort of adjustment bolt under the front of the trailer and it should be tight. If not it will cause this issue. I have no idea what this could be but plan to take a look when i get a chance. Apparently if loose it allows some slack in the trailer apparently letting it load up and jerk. First i've heard of something like this though.

[Reply]  [No Email]
6pack

07-23-2012 15:45:53
64.85.139.170



Report to Moderator
 Re: New Kaufman trailer. Very Disappointed. in reply to charles todd, 07-16-2012 17:03:45  
Quoting Removed, click Modern View to see

Take a tape measure and a buddy, and measure from trailer hitch to axle on both axles out at the spring...be sure to hold same spot on hitch and a common point on spring...I have built some trailers and I am guessing it is not square, bent axle, or the suspension is binding



[Reply]  [No Email]
mkirsch

07-23-2012 07:08:45
64.80.110.74



Report to Moderator
 Re: New Kaufman trailer. Very Disappointed. in reply to FordManiac, 07-16-2012 17:03:45  
A piece of advice:

Test tow any trailer before you take delivery. If it doesn't tow smoothly empty, then reject it. They didn't get the axles straight.



[Reply]  [No Email]
B-maniac

07-18-2012 17:39:53
97.85.62.26



Report to Moderator
 Re: New Kaufman trailer. Very Disappointed. in reply to FordManiac, 07-16-2012 17:03:45  
One thing these guys havn't mentioned yet is hitch height. I assume it has the adjustable hitch? On my Load Trail (20' bumper pull , 10'000#) they came out and made sure that the height was correct for the vehicle I was going to use before I ever left the lot. If too high it will try to "carry" the front axle and feel like bucking until loaded up with weight. Can't fault my trailer at all. They come with bias ply junk so I paid the grand sum of $100 for them to replace them all with radials. No they weren't Michelins but that's life.

[Reply]  [No Email]
ericlb

07-18-2012 04:11:01
70.41.96.38



Report to Moderator
 Re: New Kaufman trailer. Very Disappointed. in reply to FordManiac, 07-16-2012 17:03:45  
this problem should be solvable if you can figure out just what it is, most of the time, its either alxes out of alignment or wheel balance, there are some cheap junk tires out there today and a manufacture will use whatever they can buy cheapest, also a bent wheel can cause that too, but before you get to that have you pulled the trailer with a truck with a different wheelbase? i had a trailer years ago that would do that but only when pulled by a 4 door chevy with a 8 foot bed, there was something about the trucks wheelbase and the distance from the trucks rear axle to the trailers front axle that made it buck, it would only do it with that 1 truck no other

[Reply]  [No Email]
bg/mo

07-23-2012 17:04:38
166.203.45.89



Report to Moderator
 Re: New Kaufman trailer. Very Disappointed. in reply to ericlb, 07-18-2012 04:11:01  
the distance from the trucks rear axle to the trailers front is not going to change with different trucks



[Reply]  [No Email]
FordManiac

07-18-2012 04:53:24
72.11.37.183



Report to Moderator
 Re: New Kaufman trailer. Very Disappointed. in reply to ericlb, 07-18-2012 04:11:01  
I agree. The only problem is that i need new wheels and tires which looks to be $1k for decent ones. Maybe money too if axles are out. So yes you can fix about anything just cant believe i need to do this to a trailer with less than 2000 miles on it.



[Reply]  [No Email]
ericlb

07-18-2012 17:38:35
12.189.32.37



Report to Moderator
 Re: New Kaufman trailer. Very Disappointed. in reply to FordManiac, 07-18-2012 04:53:24  
something to think on, might do some investigating ,park the trailer on hard level ground, jack up 1 wheel at a time on the trailer, stand a large deep socket upright next to the tire almost touching it, slowly rotate the wheel/tire as you watch the distance between the socket and the wheel/tire assembly mark the worst one , then do it again only with the socket in front of the tire tread, again watch the distance between the socket and the tire tread, i almost gaurentee this will find you something, all tires are out of round a little, but you will be able to spot anything big this way and narrow it down, , may only need 1 wheel or tire replaced,indecently when you jack up the wheel, if it rotates by itself without any help, that unit is very much out of balance, you just found 1 of the problems

[Reply]  [No Email]
Mike Pop

07-17-2012 20:22:36
207.212.113.253



Report to Moderator
 Re: New Kaufman trailer. Very Disappointed. in reply to FordManiac, 07-16-2012 17:03:45  
I've got over 200K miles on my 24 foot, 14K Kaufman trailer. The price was great and I've been hauling with it for the past four years. I wouldn't hesitate to get another Kaufman.

Sorry for your troubles.



[Reply]  [No Email]
Dean Olson

07-17-2012 19:52:27
98.196.66.64



Report to Moderator
 Re: New Kaufman trailer. Very Disappointed. in reply to FordManiac, 07-16-2012 17:03:45  
I had a 20' 14k bumper pull trailer doing that to me and it ended being the tires. They would develop a flat spot from sitting that would take 50+ miles to straighten out. I would load it a little heavier on the tongue and that made it tolerable. I ended up replacing the tires, worn and weathered, and all the bs went away. If I'd of known that I'd of replaced them years ago.

The Kaufman guy may have been trying to tell you they put on junk tires without admitting to it.

Have the axle alignment checked. If that's ok replace or borrow a set of tires to see it that's it.
Measure the axle placement on the trailer. 60% of trailer in front of axles and 40% behind seems to be the best for bumper pull trailers.

I had to back my 5103 Deer and 6' shredder on that trailer to get it to balance properly. If I pulled it on I would have too much tongue weight by the time I had the shredder most of the way on.

I went to a 14k 20+5' deck over gooseneck and will never go back to a bumper pull.

[Reply]  [No Email]
Ralph Bauer

07-17-2012 20:38:43
75.107.16.137



Report to Moderator
 Re: New Kaufman trailer. Very Disappointed. in reply to Dean Olson, 07-17-2012 19:52:27  
Did balance my triple single GN (23+5), thought I do something good for the tires (chinese imports). Put the least round/ most leaded one as spare (#7) on the rack. Now they jump/vibrate a little a little between 30-36 mph when empty....will not be noticable when "pulling under load" (giving gas). Thinking about taking it back to another person for balancing... (BTW, I do my turns slow and as wide as possible....)but I'll put the tape to the axles, just out of curiosity. Trailer is Load Max, 2 yr. comprehensive/3yr. structural/2 roadside yr. warranty (for whole rig, truck and all), IIRC.

[Reply]  [No Email]
Dick W.

07-20-2012 13:56:05
174.54.58.169



Report to Moderator
 Re: New Kaufman trailer. Very Disappointed. in reply to Ralph Bauer, 07-17-2012 20:38:43  
A good balance job will only improve the vibrations on an out-of-round tire, never make it right. OOR tires a problem everywhere you install them, you need round tires for a good ride.



[Reply]  [No Email]
FordManiac

07-20-2012 14:08:13
174.254.159.13



Report to Moderator
 Re: New Kaufman trailer. Very Disappointed. in reply to Dick W., 07-20-2012 13:56:05  
Guys thanks for all the input on the tires but i had them professionally balanced and there pretty decent now. Im sure with high end tires it would be better but not sure by how much. Anyway tire balance issues are a more consistent problem. If there out of balance then there out of balance. However the trailer does fine alot of the time and is very smooth but on certain parts of the highway it bucks and jerks violently. Theres something else going on here but not sure exactly what. I plan to take it in for service in next few weeks and hopefully they find what is wrong. Really think it has nothing to do with tires as the trailer can run very smooth for miles then all the sudden starts the bucking an jerking thing. As i mentioned earlier my other trailers do not do this.
Thanks

[Reply]  [No Email]
Iowa Jim

07-17-2012 14:00:41
63.131.94.163



Report to Moderator
 Re: New Kaufman trailer. Very Disappointed. in reply to FordManiac, 07-16-2012 17:03:45  
Kaufmann advertises as selling their product at Low, Factory Direct Prices. Maybe you get what you pay for.......

Jim



[Reply]  [No Email]
Ralph Bauer

07-18-2012 20:56:02
75.107.16.137



Report to Moderator
 Re: New Kaufman trailer. Very Disappointed. in reply to Iowa Jim, 07-17-2012 14:00:41  
Jim, I looked at the Kauffman's, too. Had found them in TH running a full page ad. But when comparing and with all the options, I found that Load Max was within less than $250 of closest competitor, which was Starlite out of Claremore, OK.
Only differences were: LoadMax: 6-7 weeks lead time, powder-coated frame, 2 yr. comprehensive/3yr. structural/2 yr.roadside warranty (for whole rig, truck and all), pick-up from dealer in Wichita Falls, TX (4 hrs leisure drive RT); Starlite: 3 weeks lead, painted frame,1 yr comprehensive warranty, 9-10 hrs drive RT partially on toll roads).
The difference was worth it to me to go with LoadMax/LoadTrail.
PJ is a good trailer, but way more expensive, Company founded by brother of LoadTrail owner after they had an argument... Big Tex WAS good and expensive in the past, but heard too much about them cutting corners, incl. paint job.

[Reply]  [No Email]
FordManiac

07-17-2012 14:42:01
174.252.190.127



Report to Moderator
 Re: New Kaufman trailer. Very Disappointed. in reply to Iowa Jim, 07-17-2012 14:00:41  
Quoting Removed, click Modern View to see

Yes you normally do. Today i also looked at customer reviews a complaints like BBB etc and found they dont have a good track record. Will do my research next time.



[Reply]  [No Email]
Iowa Jim

07-17-2012 14:47:54
63.131.94.163



Report to Moderator
 Re: New Kaufman trailer. Very Disappointed. in reply to FordManiac, 07-17-2012 14:42:01  
Quoting Removed, click Modern View to see

Sorry to hear that. It is most frustrating when you buy something and it doesn't perform as expected.



[Reply]  [No Email]
Brad Buchanan

07-17-2012 09:37:50
24.92.240.204



Report to Moderator
 Re: New Kaufman trailer. Very Disappointed. in reply to FordManiac, 07-16-2012 17:03:45  
Sounds like one or more of the axles are not square.

I would measure from a center point on the front of the trailer to the side of each axle near the frame.

If they are not the same measurement the axle (s) are not square. If they are not square with the frame the axles will fight each other loaded or not.

On the bright side the fix should be fairly easy. Cut the spring mounts off the frame, adjust the new mounts for square and weld them on the frame

Good luck,

Brad

[Reply]  [No Email]
FordManiac

07-17-2012 09:44:51
174.252.154.134



Report to Moderator
 Re: New Kaufman trailer. Very Disappointed. in reply to Brad Buchanan, 07-17-2012 09:37:50  
Thanks Brad. Also i just called Kaufman service and he said since its over a year old he couldnt help me but recommended another company for service. He thought it was a tire issue but i dont agree with that. The axle alignment seems more viable to me.



[Reply]  [No Email]
rustyfarmall

07-17-2012 11:50:48
67.55.162.174



Report to Moderator
 Re: New Kaufman trailer. Very Disappointed. in reply to FordManiac, 07-17-2012 09:44:51  
Quoting Removed, click Modern View to see

In any event, thank you for sharing the customer service philosopy of Kaufmann trailers.



[Reply]  [No Email]
FordManiac

07-17-2012 06:15:21
174.252.154.134



Report to Moderator
 Re: New Kaufman trailer. Very Disappointed. in reply to FordManiac, 07-16-2012 17:03:45  
Guys one other thing i forgot to mention is that even when empty it still bucks and jerks. Not as bad but still very nerveracking. Is this normal?



[Reply]  [No Email]
Ken Macfarlane

08-02-2012 08:35:49
142.166.168.2



Report to Moderator
 Re: New Kaufman trailer. Very Disappointed. in reply to FordManiac, 07-17-2012 06:15:21  
Every trailer I've ever towed with stiff springs and the proper tongue weigh bucks the tow vehicle. If you make the tongue weight light I find they buck much less but wander worse. If you have soft springs they can sway badly.

My 27 ft flatbed bumper pull always bucks, empty to 8 tons on it unless I'm driving really fast as the springs and tires are so stiff. Every bump they hit kicks the truck.

[Reply]  [No Email]
FordManiac

09-19-2012 04:31:17
72.11.37.183



Report to Moderator
 Re: New Kaufman trailer. Very Disappointed. in reply to Ken Macfarlane, 08-02-2012 08:35:49  
Well finally it is fixed. Apparently the idiot building the trailer was either having a bad day, didnt care about his job or is really a true idiot. There ended up being two issues. As for the sudden jerking of the trailer it was a loose electrical wire for brakes on rear axle. As it turns out they never worked but when the bare wire would touch metal or something it would cause that brake to bump on and off. Man it stops better too now. Next was the issues with rough towing which includes a back and forth bumping sensation. Apparently the left suspension was bolted so tight it could not move and flex properly. So after these adjustments the trailer now pulls great both loaded and unloaded. Finally.....
This post was edited by FordManiac at 04:33:12 09/19/12.

[Reply]  [No Email]
rustyfarmall

07-17-2012 06:18:35
67.55.162.174



Report to Moderator
 Re: New Kaufman trailer. Very Disappointed. in reply to FordManiac, 07-17-2012 06:15:21  
Quoting Removed, click Modern View to see

No, it is not normal. I'd be talking to the dealer.



[Reply]  [No Email]
JoeM(GA)

07-16-2012 18:21:05
99.110.235.192



Report to Moderator
 Re: New Kaufman trailer. Very Disappointed. in reply to FordManiac, 07-16-2012 17:03:45  
I agree, move the weight forward just a bit and I'll bet you notice a big difference. Play with it moving it just a little at a time, you'll find your "sweet spot" again



[Reply]  [No Email]
FordManiac

07-17-2012 04:31:26
72.11.37.183



Report to Moderator
 Re: New Kaufman trailer. Very Disappointed. in reply to JoeM(GA), 07-16-2012 18:21:05  
Thanks for the info. Its not a goose neck or 5th wheel setup so it must be a p tal type. Again i have towed several other times with other trailers and no issues. It almost feels like engine is missing when i go up hills if that makes sense. Anyway i will try push weight more forward but think i tried this already. It sure wouldt hurt to try again though. Thanks



[Reply]  [No Email]
d beatty

07-16-2012 17:58:44
24.12.128.253



Report to Moderator
 Re: New Kaufman trailer. Very Disappointed. in reply to FordManiac, 07-16-2012 17:03:45  
Sounds like you might need to move weight foreward a little.Is the trailer a pintal hitch they can be jerky. If you can't find out whats wrong you may have to call factory. A friend of mine bought a tri axle for his cabin cruiser. That trailer was all over the road after you hit 45 mph.It went back to factory for two weeks. they put a complete new hanggers ,springs and axles under it . It tracks great now.

[Reply]  [No Email]
Meangreen

07-17-2012 08:12:52
98.188.136.151



Report to Moderator
 Re: New Kaufman trailer. Very Disappointed. in reply to d beatty, 07-16-2012 17:58:44  
Makes me wonder if someone didn't get things square with the axels.



[Reply]  [No Email]
FordManiac

07-17-2012 08:26:18
174.252.154.134



Report to Moderator
 Re: New Kaufman trailer. Very Disappointed. in reply to Meangreen, 07-17-2012 08:12:52  
Me too and wish i would have taken it in before warrenty expired. Only used it once the first year and figured it was just how it was loaded. Also had extreme vibration issues and took it to tire place to discover tires and wheels way out of balance. It took a crazy amount of weight to get them even close to balanced. So i called Kaufman and they said they use low end wheels and tires and do not balance them. I was surprised the service manager even told me that. To be honest i would not buy another piece of equipment from this company. Disappointing considering they are close to me.

[Reply]  [No Email]
casenut1

07-16-2012 17:31:09
107.8.39.45



Report to Moderator
 Re: New Kaufman trailer. Very Disappointed. in reply to FordManiac, 07-16-2012 17:03:45  
maybe it's in where the load is sitting on the trailer.



[Reply]  [No Email]
[Options]  [Printer Friendly]  [Posting Help]  [Return to Forum]   [Add a Reply]

Hop to:
TRACTOR   PARTS TRACTOR   MANUALS
Same-Day Shipping! Most of our stocked parts ship the same day you order (M-F).  Expedited shipping available, just call!  Most prices for parts and manuals are below our competitors.  Compare our super low shipping rates!  We have the parts you need to repair your tractor.  We are a Company you can trust and have generous return policies!   Shop Online Today or call our friendly sales staff toll free (800) 853-2651. [ More Info ]

Home  |  Forums


Copyright © 1997-2014 Yesterday's Tractor Co.

All Rights Reserved. Reproduction of any part of this website, including design and content, without written permission is strictly prohibited. Trade Marks and Trade Names contained and used in this Website are those of others, and are used in this Website in a descriptive sense to refer to the products of others. Use of this Web site constitutes acceptance of our User Agreement and Privacy Policy

TRADEMARK DISCLAIMER: Tradenames and Trademarks referred to within Yesterday's Tractor Co. products and within the Yesterday's Tractor Co. websites are the property of their respective trademark holders. None of these trademark holders are affiliated with Yesterday's Tractor Co., our products, or our website nor are we sponsored by them. John Deere and its logos are the registered trademarks of the John Deere Corporation. Agco, Agco Allis, White, Massey Ferguson and their logos are the registered trademarks of AGCO Corporation. Case, Case-IH, Farmall, International Harvester, New Holland and their logos are registered trademarks of CNH Global N.V.

Yesterday's Tractors - Antique Tractor Headquarters