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Tractor Transporting Discussion Forum

Re: Does a trailer over 10,000 lbs require a CDL

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buickanddeere

07-09-2012 10:59:25
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Once that trailer weight goes over 10,000lbs you need a class A driver's license. No ifs ands or buts.




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d beatty

07-09-2012 22:25:40
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 Re: Does a trailer over 10,000 lbs require a CDL in reply to buickanddeere, 07-09-2012 10:59:25  
If you read the law it says that when the vehicle in tow is in excess of 10,000 LBS. you have to have a class A CDL.



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BrianJasper co. Ia

07-09-2012 21:36:17
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 Re: Does a trailer over 10,000 lbs require a CDL in reply to buickanddeere, 07-09-2012 10:59:25  
No B&D, you need to read the manual. Trailer over 10K when the total vehicle weight is over 26K.



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John in la

07-09-2012 18:28:09
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 Re: Does a trailer over 10,000 lbs require a CDL in reply to buickanddeere, 07-09-2012 10:59:25  
buickanddeere and Butch(OH)

I have given you the text word for word straight from the book covering these laws.
I have given you the law number so you can go look it up for yourself.
I have even given you the federal Interpretation of the law that puts it in everyday terms.

Still you come on here and say what I have said is wrong.
So lets make this easy. Please teach me as I am always willing to learn.
Show me in black and white the law that backs up your statements.

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buickanddeere

07-09-2012 21:23:51
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 Re: Does a trailer over 10,000 lbs require a CDL in reply to John in la, 07-09-2012 18:28:09  
http://www.mto.gov.on.ca/english/trucks/handbook/section1-3-0.shtml

The class A driverís licence allows you to drive a motor vehicle and towed vehicles where the towed vehicles exceed a total gross weightof 4600 kg (10,000 lb); and vehicles included in classes D and G. A class A licence does not permit you to drive a bus carrying passengers, a motorcycle or a moped.

The class D driverís licence allows you to drive a motor vehicle exceeding 11,000 kg (24,000 lb) gross weight or registered gross weight, or any combination of motor vehicle exceeding a total gross weight or registered gross weight of 11,000 kg (24,000 lb) and towed vehicle not exceeding a total gross weight of 4600 kg (10,000 lb). It also allows you to operate vehicles in class G. A class D licence does not permit you to drive a bus carrying passengers, a motorcycle or a moped.

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John in La

07-10-2012 16:23:15
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 Re: Does a trailer over 10,000 lbs require a CDL in reply to buickanddeere, 07-09-2012 21:23:51  
buickanddeere You must be trying to stir the pot here.
Quoting laws from Canada when we are talking US laws.



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buickanddeere

07-11-2012 07:10:27
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 Re: Does a trailer over 10,000 lbs require a CDL in reply to John in La, 07-10-2012 16:23:15  
Are you saying that not having a class A with a 10,001+ lb trailer isn"t important?



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BrianJasper co. Ia

07-09-2012 21:39:43
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 Re: Does a trailer over 10,000 lbs require a CDL in reply to buickanddeere, 07-09-2012 21:23:51  
That's "Towed vehicle over 10K AND power unit OVER 26K.



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Butch(OH)

07-09-2012 18:48:14
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 Re: Does a trailer over 10,000 lbs require a CDL in reply to John in la, 07-09-2012 18:28:09  
Sorry I dont mean to come of as being abrasive. Here is a link to a flow chart that makes it easy to see that any trailer over 10,000 lbs puts a person into CDL territory as does any combo with GVWs excedding 26,000 assuming again, that it is a commercial apllication. This was a big deal at my company when the law was changed several years ago as we have 4 pintle trailers over 10,000 GVW.

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George Marsh

07-10-2012 15:31:22
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 Re: Does a trailer over 10,000 lbs require a CDL in reply to Butch(OH), 07-09-2012 18:48:14  
I heard about a young INDOT officer stopping a guy. His trailer had a 9k plates, however the trailer was rated at 14k. The truck was commercial and had DOT#s on it. Combined gross was under 26k and the trailer wasn't over the 9k plates. Cop gave driver a warning for not having a CDL. He said it didn't matter what the plates said, it was what the trailer was rated for. Guess what, I removes the factory sticker on my trailer? I too have 9k plates on a 14k trailer and no CDL!

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John in la

07-09-2012 19:30:35
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 Re: Does a trailer over 10,000 lbs require a CDL in reply to Butch(OH), 07-09-2012 18:48:14  
Butch

Do not get me wrong. I do not want to sound abrasive; and I surelly do not think that about you. I just want to get this out in the open so everyone can see the facts and learn from it.

From what I am reading you think that even though my truck and trailer have a GCWR less than 26,000 lbs I still need a CDL because my trailer has a GVWR over 10,000 lbs.

So lets use the flow chart you linked....

Is the vehicle a combination

Yes

Is the GCWR more than 26,000 lbs

No

Is the GVWR of the power unit 26,000 lbs

No

Do you tranport hazmat or passengers

No and No

NO CDL REQUIRED

We did not even get to the question about the trailer GVWR because the GCWR is less than 26,000 lbs.

We can talk about some other points you made in your orginal post I do not agree with if you would like.

I will also add......

You do not have to be commercial to need a CDL

CDL applys to everyone.

From the Iowa book you linked. page 9

A commercial driverís license (CDL) is required for anyone driving any of the following sizes or types of vehicles.

Read that statement word for word and show me where it says commercial trucks only.
This post was edited by john in la at 19:51:22 07/09/12.

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Butch(OH)

07-10-2012 04:13:35
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 Re: Does a trailer over 10,000 lbs require a CDL in reply to John in la, 07-09-2012 19:30:35  
You are indeed correct and I stand corrected. I was told different and our company policy is different so I was like blinded or something. So much for my expert status,,,,



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JimEvans

07-09-2012 19:25:57
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 Re: Does a trailer over 10,000 lbs require a CDL in reply to Butch(OH), 07-09-2012 18:48:14  
Read the flow chart again and follow the arrows this time.

The flow chart says:

Is the vehicle a combination vehicle (YES)

Is the GCWR greater than 26,000 (NO)

Is the GCWR of the power unit greater than 26,000 (No)

Is the vehicle transporting hazardous materials (NO)

Is the vehicle designed to transport 16 or more passengers (NO)

CDL NOT REQUIRED.

Notice that if you are under 26,000 GCWR, then the size of the trailer DOESN'T MATTER
This post was edited by JimEvans at 19:30:16 07/09/12.

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JimEvans

07-09-2012 17:15:44
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 Re: Does a trailer over 10,000 lbs require a CDL in reply to buickanddeere, 07-09-2012 10:59:25  
Wrong again. Only if the combined weight is over 26,000 do you need a class A.



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