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SVcummins · Jun 29, 2018

What about this welder Is it any good

jon f mn · Jun 29, 2018

I wouldn't waste money on that, you can get a good small Lincoln for less.

JD Seller · Jun 29, 2018

That is a good price for that welder. The HTP welder line is a good to excellent consumer welder. Meaning I would not want to weld 40 hours a week with one and it hold up but for the average person just doing their own welding it is good. Depending on the exact model, that welder could be half price of what it is new. If you can afford it jumping up to a 220 MIG is well worth it. They just works so much better. Much easier to weld with when compared to a 110 volt welder.

kcm.MN · Jun 29, 2018

I think I might've heard of that brand before, but then I'm barely a beginner! From what little I've read online, they appear to be a good machine and a good company. Seems these are made in Italy and sold/repaired here through USAWeld. Lots of folks saying their service is second to none. However, one post said that for ANY repair work, machine must be sent in to the company in Illinois. I guess that's so they can ensure that all repairs are perfect, and no other problems. But at 195 lbs, that could be a nightmare!

This model sells new for $1800 and the photo you posted looks pretty darn new. Before buying, I'd ask the seller how old the pic is, and if the machine has ANY known quirks.

Looks like a great machine(!!), but likely nothing I'll ever have to worry about considering. Doubt I'll ever get advanced enough to shell out that much.

One other thing someone mentioned that I feel is worth repeating is, the resell value. Millers, for example, hold their resell values really well. Haven't read anywhere that HTP has strong resell. Might be worthwhile to research cost of other used HTP machines and their conditions to compare to this one.

What would shipping costs be from ID to you?
Who would be in charge of finding the best way to ship?
...Will the seller even take the time/effort to ship, or is it pick-up only?
I'm assuming does not include any tanks.

jon f mn · Jun 29, 2018

why buy a no-name brand with little or no available service and who knows what consumables when you can get a new brand name with warranty for this.

DoubleO7 · Jun 29, 2018

I do not know why they claim it to be a 200amp unit.
It only has a duty cycle of 20% at 200 amps.

Look at the duty cycles of other 200 amp mig welders.

My Millermatic 200 from the 1980's 1990's has a duty cycle of 60%
at 200 amps.

I would say HTP is fudging their numbers for that unit.

Steve@Advance · Jun 29, 2018

My concern would be consumables.

Probably have to be ordered from the mfg.

How long will they be in business or offering parts for that model?

ArleninOr · Jun 29, 2018

Son bought a Miller for that much delivered to our door for that much. Brand new. Keep shopping.

SVcummins · Jun 30, 2018

That little old century 110 is about impossible to get a consistent weld when your on the end of an extension cord but it does do the job . I have an old Miller generator welder that I?m still trying to revive but I?m still in the market for a mig machine

MarkB_MI · Jun 30, 2018

As I recall, young Lanse who used to post here regularly posted some HTP reviews on Youtube. I think the company provided him with equipment. I believe his Youtube channel is ChuckE2009.

grayrider · Jun 30, 2018

I?ve never heard of that brand and it appears to be be pricey, I?m a Lincoln man and also recommend Miller

M-MAN · Jun 30, 2018

It appears no one is bothering to look at the pic. This isn't a little portable mig. It's a full grown industrial type. For a shop it will be fine but the price needs to drop as demand for a big unit is low. JMO

Stan in Oly, WA · Jun 30, 2018

SVcummins; HTP is a company with a good reputation. I think their focus is on the racing industry, and they sell a line of interesting products designed for aspects of sheet metal work. Their MIG welders have interesting settings such as selectable interval stitch welding, and others that I've never seen anywhere else. My understanding was that HTP stood for Hungarian (Trade, or Tool, or Technical) Products, I don't remember which. The welders were advertised as having copper wound transformers---a feature found in very few products in this price range. I remember that they also used a solenoid for the wire feed drive that made an audible click both starting and stopping. I haven't paid any attention to them in more than five years, but I remember that their reputation was very good, particularly for customer support. My take was that you got good support, and you paid for it.

I think the other information you've gotten about that welder is worth heeding. Some people liked the novelty of driving Saabs, Citroens, Peugeots, etc. but I always wondered whether that was worth the trouble of finding parts or mechanics who were familiar with working on them. If you're seriously interested in this welder, why don't you go to the HTP website and find out what they have to say about it, or see what users have to say about it on YouTube?

Stan

DoubleO7 · Jun 30, 2018

(quoted from post at 10:57:11 06/30/18) It appears no one is bothering to look at the pic. This isn't a little portable mig. It's a full grown industrial type. For a shop it will be fine but the price needs to drop as demand for a big unit is low. JMO

Your right, it is a "full size rig".
In fact it looks like and is constructed like a modern knock off of the Millermatic 200 of 30 years ago.
As Stan stated about the HTP, Millermatics also have copper wound transformers---and that they also use a solenoid for the wire feed drive that makes an audible click both starting and stopping.

But when the HTP duty cycle at 200amps is only 20% it is a very weak imitation of a Millermatic.

SVcummins · Jul 1, 2018

So Is the larger size better or worse than the smaller units ?

ptfarmer · Jul 2, 2018

I bought a brand new Millermatic 185 many years ago brand new for $1200. Its a very heavy machine so you are not going to carry it around very easy like that HTP. I've had my Millermatic over 12 years at least, and I never had one problem with it. The HTP is a inverter welder, it uses circuit boards (which makes it lighter, and smaller) while my old Millermatic has all the copper wound transformers.

DoubleO7 · Jul 2, 2018

(quoted from post at 04:02:48 07/02/18) I bought a brand new Millermatic 185 many years ago brand new for $1200. Its a very heavy machine so you are not going to carry it around very easy like that HTP. I've had my Millermatic over 12 years at least, and I never had one problem with it. The HTP is a inverter welder, it uses circuit boards (which makes it lighter, and smaller) while my old Millermatic has all the copper wound transformers.

The HTP 200 the O.P. is looking at is not an inverter type portable welder.
It is a weak knockoff of a Millermatic 185 or older 200 machine.
Weighs 200lbs.

1948CaseVAI · Jul 2, 2018

jon f mn is the go-to guy for welders. You cannot go wrong with a Lincoln and it will cost you less.

SVcummins · Jul 3, 2018

Thanks for the info. I?m not really ready to pull the trigger yet
.and maybe my old gen set will work well enough I won?t need
a mig ? I like stick welders when you have good rod and a
good machine

MSS3020 · Jul 3, 2018

I have a hobart stick that I loved...until i got this....Handler? 210MVP MIG Wire Welder

I sold my 140 mig after I got this.. Stick is taking a back seat.. hooked up with 75/25 gas..

Oliver 500 Wa · Jul 3, 2018

(quoted from post at 12:25:02 07/03/18) I have a hobart stick that I loved...until i got this....Handler? 210MVP MIG Wire Welder

Yep, I had my Miller Syncrowave 250 set up for either TIG or stick. It makes a really good stick welder. Then a few years ago, I bought a Hobart Handler 190. The Synchrowave has not had a stick in it since. I even tossed my 7018 rods. They were old and had drawn moisture anyway.

SVcummins · Jul 4, 2018

My cousin has that same Hobart and wow is that thing sweet and that may be the route I go. I can make that thing sing like you can?t believe and it will handle up to 3/8 thickness which is 99 percent of the stuff I do or smaller

Stan in Oly, WA · Jul 4, 2018

SVcummins; As usual, your simple question of whether that HTP welder was any good led off in a dozen different directions. I'm not suggesting that it wasn't interesting, but just out of curiosity, do you feel like your question was answered to your satisfaction?

Stan

SVcummins · Jul 5, 2018

Yes I think people have answered the question. Anytime you ask on a open board like this you?ll get lots of answers and lots of opinions and that?s fine . There?s a lot of knowledgeable people here and I?ve never had anyone give information that? I would consider bad or wrong . Ask about a certain tractor and you?ll get guys that swear It?s the best and guys that will swear so and sos uncles cousin has one and it worst hunk of junk ever so you? just have to sort through and glean what you want I don?t think this thread got to far off guys are saying you can buy a brand name cheaper what made me look at this welder was the fact it?s a larger machine and I wondred If it would have a higher duty cycle than the smaller machines

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