Isnt a gun a tool

Figured I could post it here.The gun shops were busy here in NJ Yesterday,,,if you have a gun and the clip holds a max of 14,,you now have to get a new clip that hold a max of 10

Hello larry@stinescorner,

This thread will go viral. I better start trucking toward N J then.
On second thought....NOT,

Guido.

I assume you're talking about a magazine and not a clip.

Colorado lawmaker explains how high capacity magazine ban will work. It is freaking hilarious.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mxtu228bYFw

sorry,

Maximum of 10 in the magazine, but no limit on how many magazines you can have with you. Experienced and highly coordinated folks can eject and empty mag and insert a full one in 2 seconds or less.

For what it's worth, I don't care if you call it a magazine or a clip. I know what you are talking about.

Must have spilled over from NYS. I think 7 is the max here - not positive as I don't own a gun that's affected.

So, NJ thinks everyone will dump their higher capacity mags in the river? Wonder if anybody told the criminals this? Gun laws aimed at honest people do absolutely no good. All laws like this do is create a black market for the higher capacity mags. Luckily, I live in a free state, but a federal ban on normal capacity mags would make my $15 Pmags worth $100+ a pop, not a bad investment on my part. There is a video on YouTube that shows two 10s in a Glock can be emptied faster than the standard 18 in the hands of an experienced shooter. Maybe they need to limit cop mags too.

If you can't make the first shot count, maybe you should just throw the gun at the assailant?

There was a thing on the news the other day where one country in IL. was trying to ban all AR-15s and it would be illegal to have one and having one would cost you $1000 per day fine. A judge saw that and stopped it before it got any place. It is time that the 2nd amendment and that law shell not be infringed as in a mag ban of any sort should be illegal

the new nj gov signed six ,,you wouldnt like NJ Old!!

There are a number of states I would not want to live in due to stupid gun laws. Guns do not kill people, people kill people and gun is the tool some use. In the long run all these laws are for only one thing and they are slowly taking our gun right away form the people one law at a time

That never worked on the old Superman show.

Sprint6; You might have to wait a long time for that investment to yield results, though. The 1994 ban on high capacity magazines lasted 10 years, and at the end of it only the most uncommon magazines had gone up to anywhere near $100. I tracked Glock 20 (10MM Auto) 15 round mags because there weren't millions of Glock 20s out there as there were Glock 17s and 19s, for instance. Shortly before that ban expired in 2004, a Glock 20 15 round mag still cost less than $100, and there was never a shortage of more common magazines at fairly reasonable prices. On the other hand, I've never been any good at investment advice, so do what you want.

Stan

Interesting post Larry, I notice killings still transpire in Merry old England where guns are illegal.Folks will keep on murdering each other even if they have to use ricks,sticks, what ever.Just a bunch of hooie if you ask me.Safe is when the good guys are armed so they can defend themselves as well as those who are defenceless.J.M.H.O.
Regards Lou & Victor.

Sure it did! go back and watch some old episodes. When the guy was shooting at Superman he stood still and let the bullets bonce off but when the guy ran out of bullets and threw the gun Superman ducked so it would miss him!

If a cop is shooting at you the best thing to do is stand still, or else you might walk into a round. Our gun club built a new indoor range and allowed the county sheriff department to use it. We used to tease them about not being able to hit a barn from the inside, but they proved us wrong. They shot 7 yards from the backstop and managed to hit the floor, and side walls, and put a hole in the roof.

I have heard them called by either name. All depends on where and who etc.

Thanks for the tip. I watched it. It's not funny. It's frightening. Misguided/misinformed/wrong as she is, I believe she is well intentioned and she has chosen sides. What is obvious is that none of the ideas she is advocating came from her and she hasn't the slightest depth of knowledge to support them. Who are the individuals who are using this law-maker as their patsy?

I've heard of people drilling a hole in the mag body and pinning it with a roll pin to limit the capacity to whatever the prevailing law is. When the law changes again you simply drive out the roll pin so it can be loaded to full capacity. Realistic solution or a myth?

I have not drilled a hole in a mag but at one time I had a M-1 carbe with a 30 round mag and to use it to hunt deer here in Missouri all you can have is a 10 round plug one in the chamber so I used a piece of flat metal to limit it to 10 rounds. Easy to remove and easy to put back in

Gun laws are absolutely absurd in some places in the USA, here in Bama we are limited to 10 rounds during deer season in a firearm but unless your toting an assault rifle to hunt with its not needed, make the first shot count and get the job done. We are not limited otherwise, if you own an assault rifle here you can legally have a 75 round drum clip attached. I must say that I don?t care for the assault rifles anyway, I?ve owned three in years past and wasn?t that crazy about them and sold and traded them off. For deer season, I hunt with single shot pistols (7mm-08 and 35 Rem) until the rut begins and then carry a bolt action rifle afterwards. No need for 10+ rounds.....

No such thing as an assault rifle that is a term made up by those who do not know guns. A Hitler did have a true assault rifle and he did not like it and it saw very little use. As for a semi auto rifle I have had more then one time where because I had such I was able to take more than one deer in less then 15 seconds due to being able to take more then one shoot fast. By the way I hunt with a Russian SKS which is not an assault rifle but it is a former military type rifle. It even has a bayonet on it but because of the muzzle brake cannot be used

Just looked it up for Jersey: AR15s are banned but forms of the AR are allowed { proof anti-gunners know nothing]. Limit on magazines . Still need permit to purchase hand gun . Major contrast from here in Florida where ARs are king. Now Florida politicians are threatening bans and the election will really count this year as far as gun rights go. You have a new student anti-gun movement as well. Some can vote.

I remember that manufacturers of magazines went round the clock on production, well in advance of the deadline. This country is saturated with magazines and I have been to a well known, significant event in another state where things like these are cash and carry,no questions asked. There is no shortage of customers. It's significant enough that there is no doubt that plain clothes federal agents are in attendance, you just don't notice. Local law enforcement openly walk around during this event.

Sadly students protesting gun are also likely to have never handled a gun let alone even know what gun is what. Many of the school walks outs where set up by other then the students that walked out there just puppets of those who want to do away with guns and take over this nation and make it a nation like what Germany was in the late 30s

Assault Rifle is a real term - generally meaning a rifle that has select fire between semi auto and full auto and fires a medium power rifle round. The term has been around since WW2.



Assault Weapon is a political term that has never been defined other than it usually isn't a club and its definition can broadened to describe any common firearm in the US.

Even worse are the people that voted this slighter smarter than a potted plant to be their representative in Washington DC.

Sorry cannot agree with you. One never heard the term assault rifle till all this school shooting came up and the ones in the government people look at guns and thought they had no place in the public hands and most do not even have a clue how to use a gun let alone know what it is other then a gun and all guns are bad by there standards unless there body guard has it then it is good and they can have any gun they want.

In all the time I was in the military we NEVER heard or used the term assault rifle or weapon

I almost never watch Utube anything , but you piqued my curiosity. I really thought that lawmakers understood a little about the issue. But magazines are bullets and people won't/can't replace them if banned? How dumb or ill informed are those people?

For a nation founded with guns in the hands of the civilians the US is heading in a bad direction. Leave it to the uneducated puppets and paid off politicians and they'd ban everything down to drinking straw pea shooters and marsh mellow rifles.

Remember the kid that wrote external_link and said if bullets were chocolate there would be less deaths. Well I laughed at that. With enough force, or a lucky(or unlucky pending perspective) shot, chocolate could be deadly to.

All firearms are (ASSAULT WEAPONS) that its job to assault someone just like a fist ,rock ,stick whatever if I punch you in the face I have assaulted you .

A gun is a simple tool made to protect and provide. No such thing as an assault rifle or any such thing. You can assault a person with just words but the words are not assault words. Assault should be a word that has nothing to do with a gun or any sort

All the talk about assault weapons reminds me of a conversation I had at our local pawn shop when wild bill and hill started that stuff. The shop was owned and operated by a Ky.state cop. Ran it until he retired from the force, plus a few years then sold it to his daughter. He made a statement like " If I am going into a hostile situation, I will take one of these any day over a so called assault rifle." He pointed to a short barrel 12 guage pump shotgun . Pinpoint accuracy not required. Just shoot in the general vicinity. Makes sense.

A magazine is a specific thing, and a clip is a specific different thing. Sure, lots of people call magazines clips, and concrete cement, and water heaters hot water heaters. Calling something by the wrong name doesn't make it the right name, although eventually it might.

Stan

Let me start this response with some information about me. I am a former military officer holding the Air Force AFSC of 4054B (munitions maintenance officer EOD qualified), the EOD part is like being on a bomb squad, or to put it another way I've had some intense training on how to do interesting things with explosives. Guns are not a very efficient way of killing people, I could kill far more people in a day with explosives or chemicals than I could with a gun, no that's not a reflection on my marksmanship. The largest US school massacre to date occurred in Bath Michigan in 1927, Andy Kehoe, a former school board trustee, treasurer and failed candidate for township clerk, placed a quantity of pyrotol (an explosive made from re-processed WWI munitions) and dynamite in the basement of the Bath Consolidated School and wired the charges into the bell system of the school. This may of been one of the incidents that made the acquisition of commercial explosives by the general public a bit more difficult. 68 years later Messrs McVeigh & Nichols blew up the Murrah Federal building in Oklahoma City killing 168 people, they used improvised explosives, product that they made from commercially available non-explosive materials. In December of 1984 Union Carbide had an accident at their Bhopal India plant and killed somewhere between 3,700 to 16,000 people. Explosives are not that hard to improvise, heck one of the bombing ranges I used to care for for the Air Force had the remnants of a FAE bomb (Fuel Air Explosive) if you want to visualize it think of a propane tank with a fuze on one end, heck mixing an acid with bleach or pool chlorine will spread hate and discontent pretty darn fast with a cloud of Chlorine gas, some of the commercial refrigerants we use when burnt become phosgene gas and there is also a substantial number of pesticides that could be re-purposed for evil if one has evil or the intent to do evil in their hearts.

Let us examine the situation with guns and gun control. If we pass laws only honest law abiding individuals are going to follow them, we have laws against shooting people, we have laws against bringing firearms onto school property, yet people are still getting shot in schools. Why? Because some people don't follow the law, we call them criminals or mentally unstable, passing laws won't deter them and every kid that gets shot at school proves that. Let's examine the rational that "if we made guns illegal then bad guys wouldn't be able to get them". Well we have made some drugs illegal and what has happened? Some addicted individuals have switched to different drugs that are available to feed their addiction, things like misuse of prescription drugs acquired in nefarious ways (black market, theft) use of animal drugs that aren't as controlled or acquired by illegal means or they take to producing their own drugs from other substances (think crystal meth). AND their is still a fair amount of illegal drugs that are smuggled into this country, much across our southern border, some of this drug traffic occurs when individuals wanting to enter our country illegally pay the smuggler's fee partially in trade by carrying illegal drugs with them and delivering them when they come. If we make guns illegal I fear we'll see an uptick of guns being illegally imported to our country by the same people who are smuggling drugs and people into our country illegally. Something to consider if the bad guys take to bringing guns in form Mexico we may see an uptick in fully automatic weapons in the hands of criminals, if they have to take the time and trouble to smuggle in guns for illegal purposes you might as well smuggle items with more fire power. If we can't stop drugs and people from entering our country illegally what makes a rational person believe we can stop the entry of firearms? The other side of the equation is that the manufacture of guns is not a particularity hi tech endeavor and the advancements in manufacturing technology like CNC machine tools, CAD/CAM manufacturing and 3D printers have made it even easier. If you don't believe take a look at legitimate firearms manufacturers in the US, they produce guns with fewer people in smaller faculties then they did 100 years ago. Even consider another extreme there is a type of gun called a "ghost" ghosts are made in third world countries in very low tech means with a minimum of tools and equipment. They are often made in places like the Philippines or India that have low labor costs, the gunsmiths often shape and fit parts with basic hand tools. Yes it's a laborious process some of the individuals making ghost guns may only produce 4-6 guns a year. Making guns illegal will drive up the cost of guns to criminals and may cause alternative means of gun production to become economically viable. If a new AR-16 or similar gun is $500-$1,000 but due to the government making them illegal the supply becomes restricted, driving the price up, the same gun that may of cost $800 before gun control could now fetch $2,500 on the black market, making the production of such guns more lucrative for small scale illicit manufacture.

This discussion hasn't addressed the use of motor vehicles, airplanes boats and drones that are also capable of being used to kill people when in fact we see one of the recent developments in terrorism s to run motor vehicles through crowds of people and let us never forget 9/11 where commercial aircraft were hijacked to be used as weapons against an unarmed unprepared group of people.

The new NJ gun laws prohibit the pinning of magazines to limit capacity.

The magazine can be permanently modified by welding, but non-reversible mods are required.

The law allows 180 days from June 12, 2018 (the day the law was signed) to permanently modify, sell to an FFL, turn in, or destroy any magazine for semi-automatic rifles or pistols.

Edit to my post above:

Only magazines larger than 10 rounds for semi-automatic rifles or pistols are regulated by the new laws.

With a rifle I have heard and used the term clip feed which refers to the mag but in a different way. Like my 22 rifle with is called a clip feed repeater. It has a 7 round mag. So it is in fact two terms that pretty much mean the same thing just used differently in a sentence

Can go bank and forth but here?s the truth
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An assault rifle is a selective-fire rifle that uses an intermediate cartridge and a detachable magazine.[1][2][3][4][5] Assault rifles were first used during World War II.[6][7][8] Though Western nations were slow to accept the assault rifle concept, by the end of the 20th century they had become the standard weapon in most of the world's armies, replacing full-powered rifles and sub-machine guns in most roles.[8] Examples include the StG 44, AK-47 and the M16 rifle.[8]


The term assault rifle is generally attributed to Adolf Hitler, who for propaganda purposes used the German word "Sturmgewehr" (which translates to "storm rifle" or "assault rifle"), as the new name for the MP43, subsequently known as the Sturmgewehr 44 or StG 44.[6][8][9][10][11][12][13][14] However, other sources dispute that Hitler had much to do with coining the new name besides signing the production order.[15] The StG 44 is generally considered the first selective fire military rifle to popularize the assault rifle concept.[6][8] Today, the term assault rifle is used to define firearms sharing the same basic characteristics as the StG 44.[6][8]


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assault_rifle

Like that will happen.

Going by what you post that means none of the gun that are being used In school shooting at assault rifle since NONE are select fire firearms. AR15 is not select fire and nether is the SKS or for that matter any gun owned in the U.S.A. unless the person has a special permit to allow them to own a full automatic firearm. So by your own definition the guns there talking about here are just plan out semi auto rifles and NOT assault rifles

(quoted from post at 11:14:41 06/20/18) Going by what you post that means none of the gun that are being used In school shooting at assault rifle since NONE are select fire firearms. AR15 is not select fire and nether is the SKS or for that matter any gun owned in the U.S.A. unless the person has a special permit to allow them to own a full automatic firearm. So by your own definition the guns there talking about here are just plan out semi auto rifles and NOT assault rifles

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EXACTLY!!!!!!!

I wonder how many rounds this last school shooter had in the clip. Does anyone actually think that a clip law would have stopped him? Anti gun laws only take guns away from the honest people. If we put guns in our schools in the hands of teachers and guards we can put an end to the killing of kids like shooting fish in a barrel.

yea a bunch of these kids are making bus trips all over the country spreading their bs. how do high school kids get money to go on nation wide bus ride?

The link Wil not post for some reason, but you can copy this and paste.

heroic officer guns down school shooter

Simple people like Geo S. funds them. Plus many of the anti gun people pay them to protest. Just think back to the 60 and all the anti war protest but the stuff now is made on fiction where as what was done in the 60s was more fact based. School now days are as much of the problem as those who preach anti gun bull

Agreed - none of them have been assault rifles. Just because runs out a reporter's mouth doesn't mean there's any truth to the story.

Your finally see my point In the fact people call these guns assault rifles and they are not even close to being that. The simple fact the common man does not and cannot own an assault rifle is the point I have been trying to get across to people

(quoted from post at 15:50:53 06/20/18) Your finally see my point In the fact people call these guns assault rifles and they are not even close to being that. The simple fact the common man does not and cannot own an assault rifle is the point I have been trying to get across to people

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[i:0bed19439a][b:0bed19439a][u:0bed19439a]An assault is the act[/u:0bed19439a][/b:0bed19439a] of inflicting physical harm or unwanted physical contact upon a person or, in some specific legal definitions, [b:0bed19439a][u:0bed19439a]a threat or attempt to commit such an action[/u:0bed19439a][/b:0bed19439a]. It is both a crime and a tort and, therefore, may result in either criminal and/or civil liability.[/i:0bed19439a]

I have yet to see any firearm assault anyone or thing. I can assault someone with a cat turd.. Would that make certain breeds of felines "assault" cats??

Here in NJ they recently elected a Socialist moron as Governor. Wants to tighten up gun laws in a state already heavy with gun control and a lot of crime (violent) in its major cities. Oh before I forget. This moron governor ran on legalizing pot. Gun owners planning to recreate in NJ should think about spending their tourist dollars in gun friendly states. NJ DOES NOT LIKE PEOPLE WHO OWN GUNS.

(quoted from post at 16:14:08 06/20/18) Here in NJ they recently elected a Socialist moron as Governor. Wants to tighten up gun laws in a state already heavy with gun control and a lot of crime (violent) in its major cities. Oh before I forget. This moron governor ran on legalizing pot. Gun owners planning to recreate in NJ should think about spending their tourist dollars in gun friendly states. NJ DOES NOT LIKE PEOPLE WHO OWN GUNS.

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Iowa has a dum-o-crat running for governor. He has openly promised to UN-do all of the progress that has been made in the last few years pertaining to gun rights for Iowa citizens.

(quoted from post at 07:40:11 06/19/18) Figured I could post it here.The gun shops were busy here in NJ Yesterday,,,if you have a gun and the clip holds a max of 14,,you now have to get a new clip that hold a max of 10

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So what woud the jackboots do if no one, or a very small number, of folks comply? Just say no!!!

Yes if it is say a 10 round mag one can simply tape another 10 round mag to it so you can drop flip put in and fire another 10 rounds and that takes maybe half a second top do wit ha little bit of practice. How many rounds a mag holds make little difference if some one know the gun and how to reload fast

Firearms stand next in importance to the Constitution itself. They are the American people’s liberty teeth and keystone under independence — From the hour the Pilgrims landed, to the present day, events, occurrences and tendencies prove that to ensure peace, security and happiness, the rifle and the pistol are equally indispensable — The very atmosphere of firearms anywhere and everywhere restrains evil interference — they deserve a place of honour with all that’s good.
GEORGE WASHINGTON

Another reason why politicians congregate in DC in this era of video conferencing instead their own elected areas.
Its fear.
There is nothing politicians fear more than angry citizens, tar and feathers, and a rope.
There's that watering the Tree of Liberty thing.

They wish to be the masters of all they survey, despite our Constitution which clearly describes powers of the Federal Gov, the States Rights and powers not granted to either, that is, those powers retained by the people. They ignore it and regard our Constitution as a dead letter. And as long as people continue to vote for such, it will be. There are ways to change the Constitution if it needs to be changed but I personally am really really tired of it being ignored or sidestepped for convenience.

The Second Amendment is my political litmus test when considering a candidate for office. It is my personal line to go by judging worthiness of a candidate. If they ignore one, they will ignore them all.
When I hear "I believe in the Second Amendment BUT..."
That's where I stop listening. I'm an absolutist on that. No buts.

And there are the leftists, marxists, and communists who call for confiscation of firearms. They, the same ones who condemn police and other law enforcement as brutal and racist, call on law enforcement to do the job the leftists would fail to do. How do they think that is gonna work out?

I hear those cat turds are pretty stinky, a dogs might be worse.