Definition of bullying?

Geo-TH,In

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Isn't an example of bullying where a reporter asks a question a person doesn't like. So the person doesn't answer the question, he insults the reporter. Do you ever feel like there are bullies on YT that won't answer the question? Geo
 
Some times you have to let it go in one ear and out the other. You also some times have to just walk away from it because some people are just ah's.
 
Agree. Some bullies would get upset if their kid got bullied at school, even sue the school.
Geo
 

Reporters are bad about blindsiding a person and sticking a camera in their face and asking """" When did you stop beating your wife"""" questions. See it all the time. Sometimes the guy is a sleeze ball, lots of times he is simply on the other side of the disagreement and every bit as right as the other party.
 
Y-T does have a few bullies but where in the world can you go with out finding some. Back when I was still going to school I had ot pout up with a lot of them but then we moved a lot so I was always the new kid and in most places the new kid gets pushed around a lot
 
Old, the problem is getting worsr. Colombian two kids went postal be cause they were tired of the jocks and preppies bulling. Look at what is happening in schools all over. Our local school has finally realize it's a problem. We now have retired cops in every school.
 
George;

I'm not arguing with your basic contention, but Columbine H.S. isn't an example of a violent response to bullying. It's an early instance of what is, in my opinion, a much more disturbing trend: Popular students from well to do households, with seemingly no problems at home or at school or in their social lives, who choose to commit acts of extreme violence for unfathomable reasons. In the past few years there have been school shootings in the US at a rate of more than one per week, and increasingly, the shooters are young males with no obvious reasons to commit such actions.

Stan
 
One of my healthcare providers has a young gal that works the phones; she really likes to bully senior citizens, treats them like they are all senile and incompetent. Everything is "her way or the highway" with her. When you are in a tough medical situation, you don't want someone bullying you just because she can. Personal bullying pales in comparison to being bullied by your health care provided who would like it if you fell over and died instead of seeking help from her.
 
Not really.

I developed thick skin decades ago and care little what others think.

Dean
 
Seems to me they're mostly junior reporters trying to make the big time with the "gotcha" questions. Look what it did for Megyn Kelley, she got herself a weekly show.
 
Stan, there are a lot of theories floating around about the two mentally ill boys. 60 minutes did a segment on the shooting and mentioned a hit list and a cover up. If I recall the hit list were the kings and queens of the school, jocks, preppies and some maybe cheerleaders.

Harris had noted on his site that he had made pipe bombs. In addition, he mentioned a gun count and compiled a hit list of individuals (he did not post any plan on how he intended to attack targets).[15] As Harris had posted on his website that he possessed explosives, Guerra wrote a draft affidavit, requesting a search warrant of the Harris household. He never filed it.[14] The affidavit was concealed by the Jefferson County Sheriff's Office and not revealed until September 2001, resulting from an investigation by the TV show 60 Minutes.

Bottom line no one will ever know, but after Columbine, schools across the country changed the way things were done. If a teacher heard or was told that another student threatened someone. The bully got kicked out of school for 3 days, same as if he actually was in a fight. Threats, bulling were taken seriously after Columbine. Even more seriously if a student brought a gun to school in his trunk, they were suspended for a semester. Say you are going to kill someone or get caught calling in a bomb threat, cops are called in, arrested, suspended, even jail time. geo
 
Sad thing is most schools now days are no fight schools so if you try to defend your self you get in as much if not more trouble then the bully does. Of course being former military I do nto believe in the no fight rule and the one who starts the fight is the one who should get in trouble not the one who defends them self
 
Now days the biggest problem with kid is they are spoiled and get away with things that would have gotten many of us older people a good old whipping. One of the biggest problem today is they spare the rod and spoil the child and a child that does not have bondries and get away with doing bad stuff is the problem
 
What you say may be true, but it doesn't quite explain why there's currently an epidemic of mass shootings of relative strangers. There may be more spoiled, undisciplined kids and bullies than in the past, but there have always been some. Previously, it didn't seem to occur to them that it would be a good idea to go kill a random bunch of classmates and instructors, and then die in the process. Do you think that young males are getting spoiled to such an unprecedented degree that at some point, homicide/suicide is the next logical step? Seems far fetched to me.

Stan
 
Have you seen or played many of the computer good they have out?????????? I bet at least 50% are shooting and killing and other such stuff and now days many kids do not seem to know where reality begins and fantasy ends so they take the fantasy into reality and act out the fantasy. Sad but true and many due to have lack of disaplane grow up they do not seem to understand that killing is wrong and that the stuff they do and see in the games do not work in real life
 
Stan in Oly, WA- I think it is the "dis-connect" for really face-to-face communication. Plus, the more violent video games youth play.

Between these two elements and add a young person that is socially shunned/harassed, I feel they loose the concept of what is real and/or fantasy. They want that instant gratification/revenge and don't realize the long term consequences.

I have dealt with some youth that can't differentiate between what is real or fantasy. It's an eye-opening experience to see how they view their world.
 
Have not seen what you have said yet but now days kids play so many computer games there reality and fantasy have over lapped s they do not know what is real and what is fantasy. Plus the lack if discipline at home dose not help and the schools now having the no fight real so kids never learn that it can hurt big time if they get in a fight
 
when I was 16 years old I had to quit school and go to work in a factory, I was ridiculed by my foreman and fellow workers about the religious group my mother and I belonged to. Those doing the ridicule were from another grout so similar group that a casual observer could not tell which was which. I developed much religious tolerance but still have not compromised my basic beliefs. Now I am glad that arguments about religion are not tolerated in the work place. Now I consider the endurance was a blessing.
 
Sorry, posted before I got done. I consider the teasing and my endurance a blessing because I learned tolerance. Workers with a stronger difference were more kind to me.
 
And half the comic books we read as kids were full of shootings and bad guys and guns, and we turned out OK...?
 
Ah but comic books are not interactive like computer games are and now days many computer games you wear goggles so it almost makes it first person and very close to being 100$ real so then kids take that as real and live it out in real life
 
Bullies are nothing new. they where here before my great grandpa went to school and will be here after my great grandchildren have gone. Only thing that has changed is the sue happy lawyers and wamby pamby cops. As adults some of the these kids dont grow as much as others, but still like to talk smack about other people. In the old days they would receive a good butt stompin and learn not to run their mouth or maybe pay a price. Today Guys with the little man syndrome shoot their mouths off about what ever they like and stand behind a cop or lawyer doing it. I encourage my kids to only fight when you are backed into a corner, but when all else fails fight like your life depends on it, it just might. If every kid went to school monday and told someone they were going to harm them they all would have to be kicked out at once. This would end the embarrassing state our schools have lowered them selves to be. I got my butt licked a time or two, but feel each time I had it coming. What would I have learned if each time I hid behind the teachers dress?
 
That is true....but we all enacted out what we read or saw playing cops and robbers or cowboys and Indians. ....but you are right, the involvement is much more intense in a computer game. Ben
 
I accept what you and Greg1959 have to say about violent video games, and the influence they may have on young alienated, socially disconnected minds. I've seen approximately 0% of such games firsthand myself---only when they are occasionally shown in movies or tv programs---and I'd be completely happy to keep it that way. Even without the influence of video games, there's no shortage of graphic violence in American entertainment. Hollywood movies are awash in graphic violence---even comedies (for instance Spy, or The Interview). It's no wonder to me that people who spend so little time doing real things in the physical world would have little understanding of the drastic consequences of actual violence.

Just as a matter of curiosity, Rich, how is it you have seen so many video games that you feel comfortable making an estimate about what percentage of them are violent? In my normal daily life, I'd have to make an unusual effort to even find any. I don't consider myself to be sheltered---just careful about what I put in my head.

Stan
 
I believe our respective cultures are sick , the media worship of the likes of the Kardashians has replaced religion and eroded Christian values .
I believe that many of the children who have resorted to gun related violence in schools have been the quiet , introverted and disciplined types that just '' couldn't take it any more '' .
I am certainly not condoning these acts , however the behaviour and shallow values of perfect Jocks , Kardashian clones and A list elitists in schools must be addressed if explosive reactions are to be eliminated .
 
Stan, I'm not sure what the cause is, but some think social media may play a part. Not the cause but a part. Notice how the wackos post there intents on face book before they go and do it. Or they post after they do something stupid. Columbine boy posted his intentions first.

Stupid local criminal robbed a gas station then posted a pic of himself waving the money. If there is a link to stupid criminals, wonder how many got caught because of face book.

Look at how many terrorists use social media. So is social media the cause or a tool of the wackos?
geo
 
I have son and daughter plus nephews and grand kids and I do look at things in stores to give me an idea of what is going on around me. Real easy to figure out what a game may have when its called the art of war and other such titles. As for that number it may not be correct but I figure it has ot be pretty close with what I see going on around me and life in general
 
She must work in NC. Somebody like that called on my parents. Once. Now they don't take calls from that insurance company any more.
 
Ya as kids we played cop and robber etc but now day on the computer your shooting people and seeing them fall and die and blood and guts etc and many games are such that you pretty much are in a closed loop sort of thing so it can maybe make and scramble kids minds
 
Just because someone on this forum does not answer your question doesn't make them a bully. A question that is asked about how someone else is doing or should be doing something is really none of my business. A question might be answered with a opinion but it is just that, a opinion. If a person asks for help or information for his own benefit then a answer is appreciated.

I have very thick skin and nothing bothers me. I even make fun of myself. My friends know me as Poppa Smurf.
 
George your "QUESTIONS" too many times are more an obsession on some topic YOUR making a BIG deal about. The latest is that YOU hate metal roofs. Last year you went on for weeks about oil filters. I think your not a bad fellow to be around but you do seem to get obsessed on some thing and not drop it for WEEKS!!!
 
JD, get off my case PLEASE GIVE IT A REST , before you are labeled a Bully. This may shock you but I've seen a neighbor transform a house in the middle of a corn field. He built a 3 car garage. Added a deck. Then put a metal roof on house and deck. I was going to post this yesterday day. Then you said give metal a rest. Now you brought it up my last comment on metal.

This place has both country charm and curb appeal. I give neighbor 2 thumbs, he did an outstanding job.

So JD, please don't push my buttons any more PLEASE. I respect your knowledge.

You have no clue what condensation can do.

A brick home was leveled with a dozer, Condensation, mold. Owners spent winter in Florida, turned heat down condensation on outside walls, mold which insurance wouldn't cover. House couldn't be loved in.

My first place was a trailer, metal roof, Condensation, roof leaked when Sun melted Condensation. So call me local building inspector and you are right. No chance you will be living in my exclusive neighborhood. All my neighbors must have my approval. If they have an issue with me, they get an eviction notice.
I know how to build things the right way to deal with Indiana's humidity problem.

I give another neighbor the Einstein award.

JD, please neither of us are YT police. Both of us have equal rights to post herr. Please don't reply to mine and I'll never post to yours, deal
George
 
Best in curb appeal and country charm.
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(quoted from post at 17:17:55 05/21/16) What you say may be true, but it doesn't quite explain why there's currently an epidemic of mass shootings of relative strangers. There may be more spoiled, undisciplined kids and bullies than in the past, but there have always been some. Previously, it didn't seem to occur to them that it would be a good idea to go kill a random bunch of classmates and instructors, and then die in the process. Do you think that young males are getting spoiled to such an unprecedented degree that at some point, homicide/suicide is the next logical step? Seems far fetched to me.

Stan

Okay, I get what you are saying Stan, but we aren't having an "epidemic of mass shootings". I went back to 1990 and counted 42 incidents. Yes, it's a lot compared to what there should be- zero. But we aren't having an epidemic. About 12 of these events were perpetrated by young white males, The rest fall outside that group by age, gender or ethnic background. The events resulted in 354 deaths and 381 woundings over 26 years. That's far too many. But meanwhile, back in Chicago in 2015 alone, 2988 people were shot. As of May 5 of this year another 1144 have been shot. This statistic dwarfs the numbers that the media shock us with. The Columbines make the news, black/brown violence on black/brown victims is ignored. This is repeated across the nation in our urban areas.

Like I said, there shouldn't be ANY shootings, but the real story seems to be ignored because it doesn't fit an agenda.
 
"If my neighbors have a problem with me they get an eviction notice"

Sounds like you run your little slice of the planet like the mafia runs a town.

If you're wondering about bullies perhaps a look in the mirror is in order?
 

George, using the term "bullying" to describe a disagreement with someones opinion seems to be a new definition. I suppose we all do it. I called a young man here on statements he made and was castigated for pointing out that he was full of bull feathers. Was I the bully or was I bullied? Anyone having an opinion of the Amish here that doesn't line up with the "they are hypocritical liars" crowd is raked over the coals. Defend the police by simply pointing out the same inaccurate, agenda driven reporters that can't get a farm story right are held up as golden when it comes to cops and you get called all sorts of names.

I guess we have to get used to it. People can't read you body language or hear the tone in your voice on the internet. I think often it's not so much bullying as people simply trying to express themselves or their opinion.
 
Bully for you. You look in mirror first. You see how personal your post is? Is your post really necessary? BACK OFF.
 
Bret, I agree with what you've said here, and I wouldn't normally argue about what might be seen as merely quibbling over details, but you're a thinking person, and typically quite careful about what you say, so it might be worthwhile to take this a little farther. Two points, really. First is that the number of mass shootings in the US is dependent on what is accepted to constitute a mass shooting: Number killed, including wounded as well as killed in the total, domestic violence, gang related, shootings incidental to the commission of a different crime, etc. The number can be represented as absurdly high if the definition is widened enough, or comfortingly low if narrowed enough. The second point is that events have emotional reality as well as statistical reality. Nobody is going to try to make the point that the approximately 3000 deaths caused by the events of 9-11 are no more significant than that same number killed in traffic accidents about every four weeks. Put another way, it wouldn't take as many nuclear weapons set off by terrorists in major cities as it would an increase in overdue library items to be viewed as an epidemic.

I'll agree that "epidemic of mass shootings" is an exaggeration in one sense, but by almost any definition you choose it used to be a statistically rare event in the US, and now it's not so much. That's the issue I'm talking about.

Stan
 

Will everyone please take a breath, step back and read what is posted as rules on YT.

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I consider insults like not wanting to my neighbor, snide remarks about me, the thickness of my skin to be personal attacks, don't you? No I'm not going to take it anymore

This post about definition of bullying is a very good examples of how little things are considered to be bullying. I think those who are responsible should think about it and STOP. If I called you a bully it was to point out what you are doing. I don't care if you like or hate me, but the insults will stop.

I consider some of you want to limit my first amendment right, limit my post ex: metal roofs. I have ALL the first amendment rights to post anything I want on YT as long as I follow the rules on YT. I don't have to do what you want. I will do what YT wants.

My posts are not required reading. I suggest some of you may not want to read my posts, that fine with me. BUT IN NO WAY POST AN INSULT. Yes I'm mad, had enough, this needs to end.

If I've insulted anyone in the past, here is my sincere apology. I'M TURELY SORRY. Please call my attention if I ever step on your toes in the future.

Now take a deep breath, step back and lets try to get along. THANK YOU.
GEORGE
 

Consider the following:

- Practically any attempt to discipline a child. particularly corporal punishment, is considered "child abuse" and therefore is not allowed.

-Any mention of religious values or right and wrong is considered "imposing your own morality on someone else" and therefore is not allowed.

-If you tell a kid "No!" or attempt to correct him in any way, or deprive him of anything he or she wants, you are "damaging his/her self esteem" and therefore this is not allowed.

What is the result of all this? A whole generation of self absorbed brats with no moral compass who see nothing wrong with picking up a gun and settling the score just because their feelings got hurt.

Sorry kids, but the real world doesn't work like that!
 
(quoted from post at 18:13:46 05/22/16)
Consider the following:

- Practically any attempt to discipline a child. particularly corporal punishment, is considered "child abuse" and therefore is not allowed.

-Any mention of religious values or right and wrong is considered "imposing your own morality on someone else" and therefore is not allowed.

-If you tell a kid "No!" or attempt to correct him in any way, or deprive him of anything he or she wants, you are "damaging his/her self esteem" and therefore this is not allowed.

What is the result of all this? A whole generation of self absorbed brats with no moral compass who see nothing wrong with picking up a gun and settling the score just because their feelings got hurt.

Sorry kids, but the real world doesn't work like that!
Right to the point. No religious talk unless it is nnalert or some other protected religion.

The other issue that has been missing in the discussion is the instant gratification aspect. I think social media has exaggerated that. You see people willing to kill and commit suicide because they want to be "popular" or famous. I was bullied by jocks and it was many years before I enjoyed hiring them. I think a lot of the mass murder problem originates in young people not being willing to wait to create a life for themselves, because they are not famous in high school. Then it turns out the big man on campus seldom is very successful in life because they are used to it coming easily. In my high school it was not the popular people or even the smart people that did good, it was the tenacious ones. No discipline and get what you want does not promote tenacity.
 
Mr george, I have read all the posts you have received about the bullying. I now believe after reading YOUR posts that maybe the bully is Y.O.U. To boast that you send people into the street if they dont see things your way and use the building inspector title to do it is a little much. I came to this site ten, maybe 15 year ago. Not really sure, but started coming on here to get hard learned experience from old time farmers who had forgotten more about old iron than I will ever know. These guys didnt throw their opinion around like they knew all. They just stated what they had seen and done. Alot of us have gained so much information from here it is unreal. I am not a weekend tractor dude, or the retired always wanted a tractor guy. I have been a full time tractor mechanic for 35 years. So if I can get good help here almost anyone should be able to gain much. Anyone can talk smack on the computer and feel like they are ten feet tall and bullet proof. All of us need to be mind full of how small the world is and how easy it is to find someone who hides behind a handle and a keyboard. I have been MANY states from home and run into people who have talked to me here, or had work done by me through the mail. I am so thankful each was happy with my work or advice. George, Some of these old farm boys can mess up a guys day after they have had a beer or two. We all make enemies by mistake. Why do something to make one on purpose? How about we all talk about tractors and farming and not worry about the little stuff. I am sure you are very knowledgeable about what you do. Please jump in and help some of us out when you can and leave any left, or right wing opinions out. I was taught when you point a finger at someone , three fingers are pointing at you.
 
I read maybe half of the replies, and to be honest I've been on this site for nearly 15 years, and I have no clue who you are.

Given the attitude it appears like you have, that's probably a good thing, and right nowI really don't care to know.

That being said, if you want to see how it feels to be 'bullied' online, I'll give you the name of another web site where the rules aren't anything like they are on here. Try the same kind of stuff on there that it appears you have on here, and you will think this place is a slice of heaven.

In the real world, try the kind of crap your talking about being 'the building inspector in your neighborhood' with someone like me, and you'll find out REAL QUICK who the bigger "bully" is...........

The last guy that tried to 'bully' me pulled a gun.......he put his away before he was dropped where he stood.........anything less than that is just someone whining because they have a thin skin.......

Like I told his Mom after the fact, some people's mouth and attitude tend to write checks their hind ends can't cash.......
It appears your checks have been cashed until this point,just as they had for the kid with the gun. One of these days your going to run up on a REAL "BULLY", not just the kind of crap your talking about on here..... and I guarantee your checks going to bounce......
 
(quoted from post at 13:45:05 05/22/16) Bret, I agree with what you've said here, and I wouldn't normally argue about what might be seen as merely quibbling over details, but you're a thinking person, and typically quite careful about what you say, so it might be worthwhile to take this a little farther. Two points, really. First is that the number of mass shootings in the US is dependent on what is accepted to constitute a mass shooting: Number killed, including wounded as well as killed in the total, domestic violence, gang related, shootings incidental to the commission of a different crime, etc. The number can be represented as absurdly high if the definition is widened enough, or comfortingly low if narrowed enough. The second point is that events have emotional reality as well as statistical reality. Nobody is going to try to make the point that the approximately 3000 deaths caused by the events of 9-11 are no more significant than that same number killed in traffic accidents about every four weeks. Put another way, it wouldn't take as many nuclear weapons set off by terrorists in major cities as it would an increase in overdue library items to be viewed as an epidemic.

I'll agree that "epidemic of mass shootings" is an exaggeration in one sense, but by almost any definition you choose it used to be a statistically rare event in the US, and now it's not so much. That's the issue I'm talking about.

Stan

I'm glad to hear you realize many of the numbers quoted are absurd. Agenda driven reporting (propaganda) has caused many people to believe things that simply aren't true. This is a pet peeve of mine.
 
there has always been disagreements, always will be. I think the whole country needs to get over itself and realize people disagree and will probably say something. Everybody wants their own way and nobody elses
 
Geo-TH,In- " So call me local building inspector and you are right. No chance you will be living in my exclusive neighborhood. All my neighbors must have my approval. If they have an issue with me, they get an eviction notice."

Sorry Geo-TH,In...but, your post just kinda stuck in my crawl.

So, this is your "my exclusive neighborhood."?
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Geo-TH,In- FWIW, I live in something a whole lot smaller and way off the beaten path and it's not "exclusive".
 

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