Shot shell picture for old

FLOLDFORD

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Hey old want do you think would have had happened if I had pulled the trigger on this shell? Was shooting clays Tuesday and just happened to see it when I dumped a box of shells in my shooting bag. Winchester Super Target. My father gave me a couple of boxes for Christmas. I don't usually shoot them mostly just my own reloads or Federal Top Guns. I sure would have hated to damage my nice Beretta with it
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Wow had a little crash in the blow mold injection machine. It is a real suprize that got through the inspection machines. I would call the company for sure!
 
One like that you never know. It might have fired just fine but on the other hand it may have been an accident waiting to happen. I do a lot of reloading and have had more then one 44mag brass come out with a split brass case. But some of this brass has been fired probably 10 plus times. Either way that is one I might give to some one I wanted to get rid of
 
If we're just offering opinions that won't be tested, then mine is that it might or might not chamber correctly because of the plastic overlapping the rim, but if it did chamber I would expect it to fire normally and not hurt the shotgun. Ejection would be another possible problem. First, it's hard to say whether the metal and the plastic would stay together, which might affect ejection. Second, if the area where the plastic overlaps the rim fell under the extractor, the extractor probably wouldn't pull the casing out of the gun.

I have a few very questionable bullets---a few reloading anomalies, and a few commercial ones---which I would be tempted to shoot if I learned I was going to die in the next ten minutes, but I know very well that I ought to just get rid of them.

Stan
 
Stan
I was shooting my Beretta A 300 semi auto the day I found this shell. I imagine that it would have chambered it but the fun would have started when it tried to eject it. The hull most likely would have stayed in the chamber and it would have taken me a few minutes to figure out what had happened
 
If the plastic case hadn't been damaged I wouldn't have worried about it. However, the plastic base of the case is definitely damaged. If that is factory, I would expect the company would want to know about it. I would send the photos you took, the lot # and any other info on the box.
 
The action would have tried to bring the next shell into battery and locked up the gun when the new shell ran into the casing still in the chamber. I'll bet you would have known immediately what had happened. What had made it happen, and what to do about it, might have had you scratching your head for a couple of minutes, though. I seriously doubt that a first rate shotgun like your Beretta would have suffered any damage from the event. It would have been just one of those interesting but irritating things that happen with guns sometimes.

Stan
 
I also doubt that it would chamber. But If it did, the only danger I could think of would be that the plastic could separate at the base of the metal and got pressed into the barrel kind of like a 3 inch shell fired in a 2 3/4 chamber.
 
I did send a email to Winchester with pictures of the shell. The number in the picture is the lot number off of the box. I'm waiting to see if I get a reply.
 
You're right about the Beretta being first rate. For the money it is one of the best shooting and most reliable shot guns I own. I still like my old Browning A 5 lightweight But the Beretta will cycle any shell I put thru it with with no problems. For a gas operated semi auto you can't beat it.
 

It would have worked fine if it chambered. It might not have extracted correctly though. Cut a fired shell in half someday and you'll see the metal on a shotshell really isn't the part that contains the pressure. The metal is there for extraction and goes back to the days of paper shotshells. Pressures are very low ina shotshell compared to metallic rifle or handgun cartridge, and even there the cartridge is not "containing" the pressure, the gun does 99% of that. IIRC there were some all plastic shells made, may still be in production for all I know. No metal rim at all. I think there may have been an insert for the primer, but that was it.
 
I wouldn't load it into my gun. The crimp on top looks like factory, but I wouldn't trust it. I think Quality Control missed one. Disarm it by cutting top off and remove the pellets, wad, and powder, or drop it into a deep hole in the ground where nobody and nothing can reach it.

Scott
 
The ring around the Winchester primer is the same color as the primer. Both are brass color on the Winchester primer. This looks like a reload to me.
 
(quoted from post at 00:06:40 01/05/16) The ring around the Winchester primer is the same color as the primer. Both are brass color on the Winchester primer. This looks like a reload to me.


There is nothing in a reloading operation that I can think of that would explain that shell being in that state. To my eye, that looks like the casing and base were misaligned during manufacture. It got past QC for sure.
 

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