Folk of Kansas

D beatty

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I see that the first of July you will be able to carry your conceled tool of protection and need no permit to do so. Here in Indiana on the first of July we can legally own a sawed off shotgun.
 
What!! you mean there will be good guys carrying weapons instead of just the bad guys. I think Buffalo Bill said "an armed society is a polite society".
 
I don't think I will have a need to, but it is nice to know I could have it in the pickup if I wanted. Our bozo in Topeka has messed up a lot of things but this one went right.
 
Federal law dictates what is legal and illegal for a shotgun - anything under an 18" barrel and 26" overal requires a tax-paid registration with the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, requiring a background check and either a $200 or $5 tax for every transfer, depending upon the specific manufacturing circumstances of the particular sawed-off modern shotgun being transferred.
 
(quoted from post at 05:54:18 06/30/15) Federal law dictates what is legal and illegal for a shotgun - anything under an 18" barrel and 26" overal requires a tax-paid registration with the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, requiring a background check and either a $200 or $5 tax for every transfer, depending upon the specific manufacturing circumstances of the particular sawed-off modern shotgun being transferred.

A sawed off shotgun that is shorter than 26 inches over-all is considered to be a hangun. If you are going to carry a handgun, a permit is required. If the sawed-off shotgun will be used only for home defense, a permit is not required. A handgun also does not require a permit if used only for home defense.
 
(quoted from post at 07:54:18 06/30/15) Federal law dictates what is legal and illegal for a shotgun - anything under an 18" barrel and 26" overal requires a tax-paid registration with the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, requiring a background check and either a $200 or $5 tax for every transfer, depending upon the specific manufacturing circumstances of the particular sawed-off modern shotgun being transferred.

Maybe Indiana didn't allow sawed off shotgun even after meeting fed requirements to do so and now they do. Also I THINK fed regs are the shotgun has to be manufactured with the short barrel. One you cut off is not leagel.
 
(quoted from post at 06:51:51 06/30/15)
(quoted from post at 07:54:18 06/30/15) Federal law dictates what is legal and illegal for a shotgun - anything under an 18" barrel and 26" overal requires a tax-paid registration with the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, requiring a background check and either a $200 or $5 tax for every transfer, depending upon the specific manufacturing circumstances of the particular sawed-off modern shotgun being transferred.

Maybe Indiana didn't allow sawed off shotgun even after meeting fed requirements to do so and now they do. Also I THINK fed regs are the shotgun has to be manufactured with the short barrel. One you cut off is not leagel.

12 gauge pump shotguns with 18 1/2 inch barrels are readily available for purchase just about anywhere. Why would it make any difference if it came from the factory, or if I clamped it in the vise and used a pipe cutter to shorten the barrel to 18 1/2 inches?

I'm not trying to pick a fight, because I understand that most of the legislators who think up these laws have absolutely NO experience with nor knowledge of firearms.
 
I have had a 410 snake charmer for 30 + years and it has a barrel length of 18 1/8". When it was bought the paper work was filled out as a handgun.
 
You need to remember that almost all NOT all, but ALMOST all gun laws are bull. They are made so those people that were elected to do OUR bidding look like they are doing something. There are something like over 25,000 gun laws on the books now and the hand wringers want more. What is funny...Mental nut case people can not have their information put in these gun search programs so when they get hold of a gun,,,. Mess with their civil rights.
 
(quoted from post at 07:29:50 06/30/15) I have had a 410 snake charmer for 30 + years and it has a barrel length of 18 1/8". When it was bought the paper work was filled out as a handgun.

I've seen one of those in a revolver configuration. Would be quite handy for critter control.
 
(quoted from post at 09:00:04 06/30/15)
(quoted from post at 06:51:51 06/30/15)
(quoted from post at 07:54:18 06/30/15) Federal law dictates what is legal and illegal for a shotgun - anything under an 18" barrel and 26" overal requires a tax-paid registration with the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, requiring a background check and either a $200 or $5 tax for every transfer, depending upon the specific manufacturing circumstances of the particular sawed-off modern shotgun being transferred.

Maybe Indiana didn't allow sawed off shotgun even after meeting fed requirements to do so and now they do. Also I THINK fed regs are the shotgun has to be manufactured with the short barrel. One you cut off is not leagel.

12 gauge pump shotguns with 18 1/2 inch barrels are readily available for purchase just about anywhere. Why would it make any difference if it came from the factory, or if I clamped it in the vise and used a pipe cutter to shorten the barrel to 18 1/2 inches?

I'm not trying to pick a fight, because I understand that most of the legislators who think up these laws have absolutely NO experience with nor knowledge of firearms.

You can cut it off to 18 1/2 your self and be OK. You can't cut it off to 17 1/2. However if the gun was manufactured with a 17 1/2 barrel you are OK if you meet the other requirements. You are right about the legislators. What difference does it make if I whack it off or if bought that way ???
 
Indianas new law is the same as federal anything under 18".barrel or under 26" over all is a sawed off shotgun. But now you can buy,sell and manufacture sawed off shotguns as long as you pass backround check (6 to 9 months) and pay the $200.00 stamp tax. Every time the gun changes hands new owner has to go through backround check and $200.00 stamp tax.
 
My snake charmer is a break action 410 shotgun.I got it because at one time we tons of gophers in our yard.I carried it on my mower loaded with 3" number 7 1/2 shot which worked very well.
 
As far as I know you have never been able to cut barrel on shotgun legally in Indiana. The only one that could cut the barrel on a gun was a gunsmith and I think there is some paper work involved in doing it.
 
Indiana is state source for the Miller case regarding Class 3 weapons. The sawed off shotgun partial defense was the 'suitable for Militia use' and court asked for military/militia equipment references to support the defense claim- none given. Case was sent back to the state but the defendants disappeared or had died. Indiana by state law recognized automatic weapons of military patterns as useful for militia and residents could have them with the usual class 3 paperwork and fees. The sawed off shotguns where classed as 'criminal weapons with no Militia use' and by state law not allowed for residents after the 1938 GCA - a very few factory short barreled model like Iver Johnson 'bicycle guns' and the Auto Burglar made before 1934 or 1938 grandfathered in, but state law said no new ones. Class 3 weapons under federal law have a state must also OK the sale/possession clause as a first step. New Indiana law seems to be a reclass of 'crimianal weapon' to 'Militia Weapon' and make state law definitions the same as federal law for the class 3, avoid some confusion-- and likely the last paragraphs will let local police now get the short barreled 'whippets'(pistol gripped, 12 to 14 inch barrel self loaders from Rem 11-48 design originally) as used by Marshal carrying under coats for witness escort with lot less paperwork. Taurus Judge might have been considered as 'sawed off criminal weapon' and a politicians bodyguard wouldn't be able to have it under old law- Cynicism/Sarcasm Alert! RN
 
We in Kansas are fortunate to have a strong state rifle association and we need to give them our support.
On the concealed carry without permit issue; just remember you can't cross state lines without a permit (unless that state also has the same law). If I remember correctly, all states surrounding Kansas have reciprocal carry laws and honor Kansas permits.
 

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