Back Round Check

D beatty

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U.S. Representatives Peter King (R-NY)and Mike Thompson (D-Calif) have introduced a new universal back round check (bill HR 1217)which covers the private transfer of a firearm between life long friends and family members.
 
I know many guns that were passed down to family without a background check?

I also know of 2 guys that are in trouble for selling a gun to a fellon. Both guns were used in murders, one a cop.
 
(quoted from post at 00:38:32 03/16/15) U.S. Representatives Peter King (R-NY)and Mike Thompson (D-Calif) have introduced a new universal back round check (bill HR 1217)which covers the private transfer of a firearm between life long friends and family members.

The NRA is all over that one. I doubt very much that it will pass.
 
IMHO, If you knowingly sell a gun to a felon, and they kill somebody, you should rot in jail.
 
If I sell a gun to somebody that don't know the transaction goes through a gun shop and they do all the paper work holding me clear.
 
If those Einsteins wanted a reasonable chance for something like that to pass, they should have done it when nnalert had control of Congress. Absolutely no chance now. I'll bet King is just doing it for political cover in abundant New York state.
 
I don't know if you know this but the nnalert are putting the 223 ban bill back on the table with some differant wording. If I read it right the new wording could include other ammo besides 223.
 
What are you saying? Here is what they are saying...

“We know that criminal background checks are effective in keeping guns out of the wrong hands,” said Leah Gunn Barrett, NYAGV (New Yorkers Against Gun Violence) Executive Director. “We are grateful to Representatives King and Rice for their leadership and urge all members of the New York Congressional delegation to support this common sense bill because it will save lives,” she added.
This Bill Is Intended To Further Extend Gun Control
 
It don't really matter. Under federal law there is really no such thing as a transfer between individuals. The licensed dealers have to keep records of the guns they sell. Most will fill out a 4470 if you want them to, but it really means nothing. I sold a gun several years ago that someone was killed with years later. The police called me because I bought it from a dealer. I told them I had sold it 3 or 4 years ago and that was all they wanted to know.
 
It does make a differance because the person I am selling to has to pass background check and it will have the date of transaction. The gun shop I go to does this.
 
There was testimony in a hearing in regard to wanting to ultimately ban .223/5.56 rifle ammo in general, but nothing on the table as of yet. What is on the table, or very soon will be is a bill to restrict the ATF from being able to ban any type of rifle ammo, whether it fits the interpretation of AP ammo given in '86 GCA or not. The reasoning is that it was written soley to protect officers wearing soft body armor, something ANY rifle cartridge can penetrate, be it the pseudo AP rounds they are making up, or actual military AP.

One thing of note here is the recent ban on the 5.45 7N6 that is chambered by an AK74. It has a steel core, making it technically AP. However beyond a pistol that a mfg sought to import, but never did, it got banned with no pistol available for it to be chambered in. Too, they banned a Chinese surplus round, chambered in 7.62x39, years ago, with no real reason to do so.





In other words the '86 NFA it was a worthless law when written, at least when it comes to the banning of ammunition, and is still just as worthless now. At this time no law enforcement officer has ever been shot with an AR pistol, nor any pistol that can take the .223/5.56 caliber. That's not to say it will never happen, but the weapon of choice for those that are going to be doing the shooting is going to be something a lot smaller, easier to hide, cheaper to buy, and easier to maintain than an AR pistol.

On that note, there is one pistol cartridge out there that, while not that common, can easily defeat the soft armor. Thing is it's not that common of a round, but it is still readily available. That being said, I am referring to a different round with what I just stated, but has anyone looked at a .500 pistol cartridge yet? With that much power hitting a target at a typical pistol range, if it can't penetrate soft armor, I can just about guarantee the guy that got hit would be seriously wounded whether it made it through the vest or not.



In the end it's all just more raging lunacy from a bunch of gun hating idiots that have no problem surrounding themselves with guns for their protection, as they are so much more important than we are.

Not to mention, given that the 2A was written to allow us to protect the other rights from the encroachment of a tyrannical government, those in charge shouldn't have anything to be afraid of IF they do their job by following the Constitution, as well as listening to the voters that can take them out of office just as fast as we put them in......
 
Got to add a little humor.

KNOW YOUR SCRIPTURE! "It's more powerful than any two-edged sword!"

ACTS 2:38 Conceal Carry and an Intruder.

You gotta love compassionate Christian Seniors.

A woman had just returned to her home from an evening of church services, when she was startled by an intruder.
She caught the man in the act of robbing her home of its valuables and yelled: 'Stop! Acts 2:38!' (Repent and be Baptized, in the name of Jesus Christ, so that your sins may be forgiven.)

The burglar stopped in his tracks.

The woman calmly called the police and explained what she had done.

As the officer cuffed the man to take him in, he asked the burglar: 'Why did you just stand there? All the old lady did was yell a scripture to you.'

'Scripture?' replied the burglar. 'She said she had an Ax and Two 38's!'

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Kick a little note in here. I just love the bozos on NPR radio when they cry alleygator tears and say how bad the NRA is. "The only reason the NRA is out there is to make money"!!!!???? That is their thinking. It was on this past week.
 
NC Wayne I got this through NRA mail yesterday. Rep. Eliot Engel (Dem-N.Y.)introduced the Armor Piercing Bullet Act. Which he said would ban the sale of ".223- derived, 5.56 X 45 MM Nato 'green tip' rounds" that are commonly used in the AR-15 rifle. That's the same ban that the BATFE proposed in Febuary,through the adoption of a "Frame Work" that would justify a ban on all bullets that can pierce police body armor.
 
What this is saying that under what they want to do you will not be able to sell a gun to a friend (even somebody you don't know) or give a gun to your children with doing a backgroung check. As it is right now you can by a gun and give it to your kid or best friend and they need no backgroud check.
 
when you sell a firearm you are supposed to do it through an ffa , the ffa calls the fbi and gets a background check to make sure you are not a felon .as of the 1968 gun act , the fbi has to destroy that record check within 24 hours. the gun shop or dealer can keep a record as long as he wants , that does not mean your gun is registered .thats why when you buy a firearm , each time you have to have a background check .you can apply for a pin number that you give the dealer and not have to do the check again . so if someone tells you their gun is registered ask the where ? so , why not just give your kid the gun and be done with it if you know the gun is clean .i am not against background checks but i am against laws that make no damn sense.
 
(quoted from post at 00:24:45 03/26/15) when you sell a firearm you are supposed to do it through an ffa , the ffa calls the fbi and gets a background check to make sure you are not a felon .as of the 1968 gun act , the fbi has to destroy that record check within 24 hours. the gun shop or dealer can keep a record as long as he wants , that does not mean your gun is registered .thats why when you buy a firearm , each time you have to have a background check .you can apply for a pin number that you give the dealer and not have to do the check again . so if someone tells you their gun is registered ask the where ? so , why not just give your kid the gun and be done with it if you know the gun is clean .i am not against background checks but i am against laws that make no damn sense.


No, no, no, no, no and no. First off it's an FFL, not FFA. Federal Firearms License. 2ndly, the 68 GCA only applies to INTERSTATE sales of firearms. 3rdly the FFL HAS to keep the 4473 form forever or turn them into the ATFE when he ceases business. 4thly, some states DO have registration for some guns. Any legally owned handgun in NY for instance HAS to be registered. 5thly, the Instant Background Check thing only came in a few years back. Prior to that you filled out the 4473 at a FFL dealer and that was that. It wasn't part of the 68 CGA but of another much later "act" that I forget the name of. 6thly, there is no Federal law that bars the sale or gifting of firearms between citizens in good legal standing. It's only in places like NY that citizens are denied their rights.

Not trying to be a jerk but as a former FFL and retired cop I had to correct the errors so they wouldn't be repeated as fact.
 

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