What do you carry when you're packing?

Stan in Oly, WA

Well-known Member
I thought someone else would jump in and post this question, but since no one has, I'll do it. What firearm do you carry for personal protection---not hunting, pest control, etc. Tell when and where you carry it if you don't carry it all the time, how you carry it (i.e. in a holster on your hip, in your pants pocket, etc.), and you can tell why you carry it if you want to. Just the make, model, and caliber, if you don't mind. Let's not get into a discussion of the relative merits of any size or type of gun, or start talking about theories of stopping power, or that kind of thing. There are a ton of forums online that discuss those issues endlessly; we don't need to here.

I carry a Kel-Tec .32 ACP when I go out at night when I expect that there's a 99.999% chance that I'd be fine with nothing. I bought it years before Kel-Tec came out with a .380 the same size (just under 10 oz. fully loaded with 7), and then Ruger came out with a better quality .380 that size. I slip a S&W 640 .38 spcl into my back jeans pocket to answer the front door when someone knocks at night. I take a Glock 26 9mm in the vehicle with me when I'll be driving at night. I've held a WA State CWP since 1967, except when I lived in Honolulu for 4 years (none available there at that time), and I've never been in a situation where I needed it. A couple of times away from home things have looked pretty sketchy, and I was glad to have a gun with me. But I've never needed to use it, or show it, or even mention that I had it with me.

Stan
 
Well since I do not have a CCL I do not carry often but if I do a 22mag or a 44mag. I do have a few places on my place where when I leave I lock a couple firearms so if when I come back home and things look out of place I can grab them
 
Ruger 1911 .45 that I carry and hang on a magnetic holster under the coffee table next to my chair when Im in the house. When Im working at the farm i swap the .45 out for a well worn/abused S&W .38+p air weight that I keep in the console of the truck, and also keep a Ruger P-95DC in the bed room on the nightstand. For Christmas I got the wife a Glock 42 .380 to replace her .38 body guard, so far she seems to be pretty pleased with it. About the only time I dont carry is when Im at work. The rail road takes a dim view of carrying a weapon, but doesnt care to send you to some very shady areas at late night/early morning hours. I have never had to use any weapon and hope to continue that streak, but I like having that option if it ever came to that. Did have a close call with the wife one night not long after we had been married and I wasnt accustomed to her very loud 3am bathroom visits! Right now we dont have any children but when we do I will have to do something different.
 
The car you do not drive that day makes a good place to stash a firearm or 2 in the truck locked up. Of course lock all doors so that it looks like it should be that way. Or a lock box in the shop that is not seen by most who would look. O would get a CCL but that leaves a paper trail that I do not want.
 
Back when I had young children I taught them no gun was a toy and yes they NEVER got a toy gun to play with. No toy gun makes them respect what a gun really is and my first gun I got at around 7 years old. Teaching is the key to correct firearm handling
 
Back when I had young children I taught them no gun was a toy and yes they NEVER got a toy gun to play with. No toy gun makes them respect what a gun really is and my first gun I got at around 7 years old. Teaching is the key to correct firearm handling. Also a unloaded or locked up gun is useless so I keep almost all my guns loaded at all times and I have them not just in one room of the house and hidden all over
 
I usually carry either a S&W Sigma 380 or AMT Backup in a 380 on a holster that clips over belt and has a place to carry extra magazine. I also carry at times a 9 MM S&W 3953 in shoulder holster. I have life time CCP and carry mine every where that I can carry it legally. I also have one very close by at night when sleeping.
 
Old,
a CCW permit does not asks what guns you have, it only states you are legal to carry a firearm in some states (reciprocity). Nothing to leave a paper trail of firearms. Same difference with having a drivers license, doesn't list all the vehicles you can drive or own.Just wanted to set the record straight for some who might want a CCW and worry about listing guns. Only ones I know who can't get a CCW permit is a felon, it is illegal to even own or handle a firearm.
LOU
 
Lou in the state of Indiana a felon in some cases can get a permit and buy a firearm. Depending on the felony the felon applies for an appeal and if the governor pardons them they can get a permit and purchase a firearm.
 
D beatty,
I moved from the State of Indiana (land of taxes) years ago. It was said of the town I lived in if you wanted to get by with murder go to Indiana.That was Walter Winchells observation.

If one is lucky or knows someone with power to get their criminal record supressed any thing is possible, but saying a record felon who isn't so inclined for a pardon from the Govenor is SOL. So my statement is true.
LOU
 
Stan,
Take your pick, all have been carried at one time or another, some in tandem. It all depends on where and what we are doing.
LOU
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Unless I'm going out for the night and wearing nicer cloths, I open carry a Steyr M40 (.40 cal), or a Ruger P-95DC (9mm). I carry both cross draw on my left hip, the Steyr in a Fobus holster and the Ruger in a Blackhawk holster. Both holsters are Kydex, with the Fobus using holster tension for retaining the gun, and the Blackhawk having a finger latch to keep it from being drawn. The one I carry the Steyr in is canted wrong for the way I carry, but it's the only thing I could find to fit it until I can get a leather one custom made.

For CC I carry a Colt Government Model .380. It's in a holster that rides inside the pants. It rest, more or less, between the crotch and the pocket. It allows a full range of motion, including sitting down, without getting in the way. The holster is pretty much universal and depending on the type of pants I wear can hide pretty much anything I want to carry. The baggier the pants, the larger the gun you can get away with carrying(((the guy selling them had a 1911 in his and you couldn't tell))). It's designed with a phone case at the top, where it clips to your belt, to make drawing it a breeze with a little practice.
 
Lou;

Would you start with the derringer and work your way up the revolvers and down the pistols telling what each one is? Make, model, and caliber.

Thanks, Stan
 
Nebraska requires a class with live fire training and fingerprinting. I bet they record what you show up to the class with, based on how vague any answers I've got from the state patrol are.
I see guys online "my prints are on file with nhp yadda yadda yadda" talking about the permit. Ok what do they need that on file for, what are they accusing you of?
 
22mag derringer. I had the trigger pull fixed. I'm a revolver guy. my gun of choice for the house is a Taurus 5 shot .410 pistol! NE ccp and would never be without.
 
My pocket gun is this Ruger LCP .380, carried in this fire-through holster. In my back pocket it profiles like a wallet. No safety, no hammer, just point and click. Trigger takes some getting used to. I don't carry it a lot--no CCP, but I don't let that be a concern if I want to put it in my pocket. Rest of the time it stays in the truck.

Scattered through the house are rest: Springfield Armory .45 ACP; S&W .41 mag.; Ruger Mark III .22; Colt Police Positive .32; Colt .25 semi-auto. Not shown are Taurus .410 revolver and Browning .22 semi-auto in scaled 1911 format.
These may soon be joined by a Ruger LC9.
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380 Smith & Wesson Bodyguard in a "Sneaky Pete" holster that looks like a cell phone holder. Saw the holster advertised in NRA magazine and I love it. Carry it pretty much every time I leave my property.
 
P64 Polish Radom in 9mm Makarov on right hip. Never visit my SIL without it. Her place has been overrun with coyotes and has had her dogs attacked just after her stepping out the front door. Had carried an S&W 6906 until it was criminalized in CT. Occasionally carry a S&W 642 Airweight in front belt when I'm at my home in MI. S&W .357 in the night stand (came in handy in a "false" home invasion [long story]), 12ga coach dbl bl (with waterfowl magnums) and Mossberg 500 in 18" kept in various handy places.
May I add that this post made me realize that this forum has even more of "my kind of people".
 
(reply to post at 09:46:38 01/17/15)


Out in town a Smith 38 Bodyguard or Star PD 45. In the woods or on the farm, anything from a Smith 22 Kit Gun to a Charter Bulldog 44 or Smith 1917 45 or Smith 19 357. For trips to the range (my sandpit) the nicer $tuff comes out.

Just FYI on CCW Permits- some states do list the specific guns you are authorized to carry. Another case of "Don't make the assumption that it's the same in every state/place as it is at your home". Doesn't mean I like or agree with the laws we have here, just the way it is.
 
I always pack a tooth brush and clean undies. You guys must get a bit gamey after a couple days.
 
I'm packing 6" pliers on my hip. It's a rough and tough world I live in, would carry my Red Rider, but everyone said I would shoot my EYE OUT. LOL
 
Brad;

Those were previously chambered for .38 spcl only for many years. More recently the model was also sold in a .357 version. Which is yours, and if it's a .357, is that what you carry in it?

Stan
 
Hey Stan.

This revolver is chambered for .38 spcl.

I bought it in the early eighties for an off-duty piece and it has ridden many thousands of miles with me.

The only mod was a set of Pachmyr grips. My had didn't fit the small grips.

This gun is accurate. I can put a nice group on a pie plate from 25 yds.

Brad
 
Almost any 9mm pistol that is still in production is now offered in 40 S&W, too. What make and model is yours? Glock is probably the most commonly used by police departments, and there is no denying that Glocks are tough and functional. There are certainly 40's that fit better in my hand, but my biggest problem with Glocks is that (as of ten years ago, anyway) you weren't supposed to fire lead bullets through them. If that's still the case, it does run up the price of reloading your own practice ammo. I've reloaded and fired a ton of lead bullets through Glocks, but after I found out that you're not supposed to, I stopped doing it with 10mm auto. That one already runs at high pressure.

Stan
 
My daughter lives and works in Milwaukee. On her last visit home she stated that she would like to get a gun. I advised against it, because you need to know when to use it and and to be prepared to kill someone when you do. Anything else is reckless to keep it polite. If you need a gun to make yourself feel safe, you should seriously consider re-evaluating some of your choices.

I was being hassled by another motorist one day. I determined that day, that I should not carry a gun.

But, to each his own.
STEVE
 
How do you like that LCP, Jerry? I've been considering one since they were introduced. I'm a great fan of small but relatively large caliber pistols for their concealability, but not so much for their comfort while practicing with them. My Kel-Tec .32 weighs 7 ounces when empty, just under 10 fully loaded, and even though .32 acp is a weak cartridge, the pistol isn't pleasant to shoot. I shoot it enough to keep up my familiarity with it, but it would never be the handgun I'd shoot for pleasure for an hour or two.

Stan
 
Bought a Model 60 SS for wife back in the 80s and put a pair of rubber grips on it that would keep hammer from snagging your pocket but left enough of hammer that you could let it down if you wanted to. They are a nice piece but like you said they are not light for their size.
 
Sorry but if you have a CCL the court house ha records of it so there is in fact a paper trail I have checked into it and any paper is to much paper. When you get pulled over they can do a radio check and find that you have a CCL so again to much paper for me
 
No, the Elsie Pea is not a fun gun either. For a guy with big hands it's not easy to hold. My main gripe is that when you pull the trigger, a gap is formed between the top of the trigger and the trigger housing. With a fat trigger finger, I get the skin of my finger pinched when the trigger is released if I'm not careful. I'm probably going to give this one to my ladyfriend and get an LC9, if it feels better.
 
Unless you know her better than we do, there is no reason she could not learn gun safety and become proficient.

I know some gals that I trust with weapons much more than some of the guys I know!
 
In MI you don't "show up" with anything or you will be ushered out pronto. They provide everything! You don't need to own a gun to get a CPL and it is not "gun specific". The only guns they know you have are the ones you've bought legally since mandatory registration requirements. If you have a '60,s pistol etc, and a CPL to carry it, there is no "paper trail" to the pistol. You can even carry someone elses. If you get pulled over you need to tell them you have a CPL and whether you are carrying or not. If it was a gun you bought in 1960 and they by chance want to see it, they cannot require you to now register it. If you have to "USE" your pistol on someone then you will end up in their office answering a lot of questions. Things will go a whole lot better for you if you are "legal" and have a CPL. If you broke one law then it plants the seed of suspicion for wrong doing/fault. If one doesn't wish to CC then fine but if you do it behooves you to be legal.
 
The derringer is a 45/410,The next up is a 22/22mag,The next one up is a 45 LC,Ruger 480, S&W 629 Classic 44 mag, Top right pistol is Springfield 45 ACP Long Slide,Below that is Springfield 45 ACP 5",Walther PPK/S 380 acp,WAC 380 made in France, last down is a 25 acp.

Actually all are 500 S&W magnums, and are cardboard cutouts we took pictures of and cut out and took another photo of.LOL. If asked by any law enforcement, they disappeared into the lake when we was fishing.LOL

LOU
 
I started because I collect property taxes in a small office right off a main highway and must advertise when I will be there... invitation to anyone looking for an easy target. Ruger SR9C in a Bianchi carrylock outside the waistband leather holster. Looked at the LCP but just too small for my hand. I don't carry it all the time, but must admit I do feel safer when I do. The old saying "I'd rather have it and not need it then need it and not have it" applies to me.
In the woods... either a CZ 52 in 7.62 Tork (really fun round) or a 1858 Remington .44 Army cap and ball with a spare cylinder.
 
How do you do live fire excersizes in the class without a sidearm?
Which you can't buy legally til you go to the sheriff's office and pay them to run a NICS check and give you a card that says they ran a NICS check on you.
Or I can open carry, as they do still allow that here.
 
Did you ever get any of that 7.62X25mm ammo that was made specifically for the CZ-52? WWII (or maybe cold war) surplus, probably corrosive primers, and only most of them, not all, go off. Hot stuff! The Chinese 7.62X25 ammo, and the Sellier and Bellot (Czech Republic) commercial stuff can't be loaded that hot because Tokarevs and Chinese Tokarev clones, not to mention broomhandle Mausers, weren't built to handle that much pressure.

I had trouble with the floorplates of CZ-52 magazines coming off under recoil. I spent over an hour at an outdoor range one weekday morning years ago trying to find a magazine spring that had bounced away when the floorplate slid off. I was the only person there, so I was able to look everywhere, but I never did find it. I ended up putting very short screws up through the floorplates just rear of the front wall of the magazine body. It was a crude fix, but it worked.

CZ-52 firing pins are notorious for being brittle, so that they can break from dry firing if there's nothing in the chamber to absorb the shock. I never could understand that. With chromed barrels, and the machining nightmare of that roller lockup system, why would the Czechs put a crappy firing pin in that pistol?

Stan
 
Working in Nevada a few years ago I got into a conversation with some locals about carry iron. One guy told me that they have to stipulate what they are going to carry and that is the only gun they can carry. He said that his permit was for a Judge and he hated carrying it cuz it was too big and too heavy. Don't know if that has changed.
 
Around my property I carry a Taurus Tracker 7 shot 357 with 3 bird shot and 4 357 hollow points. Belt slide holster. Out and about, a Taurus PT 1911 small of the back or a Beretta 96 in a shoulder holster. I have prevented harm to myself once and to my family once cuz I was armed. Never fired a shot. I practice a lot with my reloads and carry store bought rounds.
 
Steve;

It’s difficult in this country to estimate the likelihood of ever needing a firearm for self-defense. The infotainment industry selects stories for their sensationalism, so it seems like there’s a lot of everything bad happening, and it’s hard to get a grasp of what it means that those events have to be averaged out among 300,000,000 of us.

My wife and I are lower middle class people who were born and raised in Seattle. We were church goers, good students, college educated, not particularly wild or reckless. My wife was an administrator for the City of Seattle, later a high school teacher, and now a college professor. I remodeled houses, tried writing novels, and later got a CPA license (but I still prefer remodeling houses). I stopped drinking 15 years ago, and my wife is the most moderate drinker you can imagine. When I did drink, we almost never went out drinking or night clubbing. My point is, we’re really regular. Yet, in her lifetime, my wife has known seven people who were murdered. Two of them were women who were murdered by men who were fixated on them: One as a young adult who was killed by a bus driver who had become obsessed with her---he hid outside the door of her apartment and stabbed her to death; the other was a young woman in my wife’s Adult Basic Education class at Olympic College in Shelton, WA whose ex-husband defied a restraining order against him and killed her (and himself later the same night) with a handgun.

A few years ago I was the foreman of a jury in the armed home invasion trial of a career armed robber who had moved here (Olympia area) after getting out of prison in North Carolina. The occupants of the house that was invaded were a group of young men who were on a professional paintball team (!?) and some of their girlfriends. The invasion happened late at night when everybody was at home. The occupants who were awakened were able to hold the door shut long enough to shout to others to call 911, which they did. Nevertheless, the robbers had time to make everybody lie on the floor in the kitchen while they tried to decide what to do with them. Killing all of them was one option. All of the young men who lived in the house were adults. Any of them could have legally owned a gun, but no one did.

Years ago, when I still lived in Shelton, I went to small claims court with my brother-in-law. While we were waiting for his case to be heard, I had the bad luck to hear a case in which a woman had watched two large dogs which had escaped from the owner’s property tear her small dog to pieces in front of her eyes. That’s the kind of thing you can’t unhear, no matter how much you wish you could. I have two small dogs. I’d die trying to protect them from an attack by another dog or dogs, but that might not save them anyway. I’m sure it wouldn’t do me any good, either.

Should I carry a gun? I’m well aware that the chances are way against ever needing it. Recently we got rid of a stovetop espresso maker which we hadn’t used in 30 years. Chances were we would never use it again. If it ever turns out that I need an espresso maker, not having one would only be a minor inconvenience. Not having a gun if I should ever need one would be different.

Stan
 
Richard,
According to the link I added below,Mo. current requirements don't list anything about saying you have to list what firearms you have or will use.Granted they take fingerprints,but if that is a big hang up for some, think about if LEO's really want fingerprints, how hard are they to come up with? I am sure there are a few anti states that want you to list what you will carry,but MO. is not one of them. I am also sure there are places to rent firearms from during CCW classes for training purposes.
If it were me, I would want a permit if I was to carry one on my person, or in a vehicle for protection,just to be law abiding. I know it is a given right by the Fathers of this country, but to have to defend yourself in court because you used a firearm to protect ones life without a permit, is not one of my wishes at this late of a date.

I also commented on how there would be no paper trail of what gun you owned by getting a CCW permit,which is true in Wi,& MO. A thought to some who worry about such nonsense, if you order ammo from online,or reloading supplies, Bullets,powder,primers etc, just how long do you think it would take law enforcement to get these records from the companies that you bought from,in this day and age of computers and record keeping?

When I was stationed in Nev, all handguns had to registered at the LEO. If caught having one without registering it,one would certainly be in bad JU-JU. I am sure that it still goes on in some areas,but that has nothing to do with a CCW permit, just what one owns for protection inside his or her own home.

Just a little helpful info for those who read something and think its fact,but it's not.
LOU
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As I said above, "they provide everything" !! Class materials,refreshments,Ruger pistols,ammo, range/targets all run by active State Police. They also pass around at least 15 different pistols for everyone to look at/hold to help people who don't have one yet figure out what will work best for them, A class well worth the $100. These guys know their business well and present it even better.
 
How old is that S&W Model 57? I had a Model 28 .357 that looked a lot like that except that it was matte finish rather than glossy, and it didn't have the red insert in the front sight. That probably means it was older. It had counter-bored holes in the cylinder so that the cartridge bases sat flush with the back end of the cylinder. That gives the cartridge extra support but it's expensive to do, so S&W stopped doing it.

I bought that gun new in about 1967, and sold it to my wife's brother about 20 years ago. On Christmas eve I asked him if he still had it because I was going to ask him if he'd like to sell it back to me. He not only still has it, but he now considers it a family heirloom (his family, of course) which he intends to pass on to his son. I'm okay with that. Those N-frame Smiths were monsters anyway, almost impossible to carry except in a holster, unconcealed. I couldn't even figure out a way to carry a Model 19 comfortably, and those were small compared to the N-frames.

Stan
 
Stan, my dad bought that .41 in the late 60s or early 70s, I think. I should know exactly because I came across his receipt just a few days ago. I didn't pay attention to the date. The price, as I recall, was $73. You're right about the thing being a load: with six rounds in the cylinder it must weigh three pounds. Carry it in your pocket, it'll pull your pants off.
 
I had and traded a LC9 because of the long trigger pull. This year Ruger came out with the LC9s which is a big improvement over the old model. I like it as the trigger pull is perfect for me.
 
Funny story about packing.
One year at the end of summer camp. I gathered all the machine guns and other weapons. That had to be stored at the police station. Along with the bolts for the M16s.

Sitting at the light waiting for it to turn. When this guy runs up to my truck. Yelling that he was going to kick my butt. For cutting him off. Told him he had the wrong guy.He called me a few more names. Then ripped open my door. I think he had a movement when he saw what I had in the truck.
1 M79 Grenade launcher.
3 Fifty cals
2 M60 machine guns
2 Auto fives
1 45 side arm and my combat knive.
I told the cops about it. They ask for a descriptson of the guy. One of the cops said. Just look for the guy with the stuff running.Down his leg.

Always smile when I think of it.
 
In an earlier posting below, JerryS said he carried one of those, although he didn't mention a laser sight. When I asked him how he liked it, he admitted it has its issues. That's how I feel about my Kel-Tec .32 acp. With less than 10 ounces of mass to help absorb the recoil, and not much to hold on to anyway, even that underpowered cartridge isn't much fun to shoot. How do you feel about your LCP? I mean, you do have to practice a certain amount with a gun you're going to carry, just so you'll be familiar with it if nothing else. But some guns are just plain no fun to shoot. Like when Smith and Wesson came out with .357 magnum J-frame revolvers, a number of reviewers said that shooting one was an experience they sincerely hoped to never have to repeat.

Stan
 
What was there about the 6906 that caused it to be criminalized in Connecticut? I lived in New Canaan for a short time in 1966. I found it quite different from the Pacific Northwest. They did have thugs there, though. Even more in places like Stamford and Bridgeport. I wouldn't appreciate being told that it wasn't up to me to look out for myself. Obviously, you don't either.

Stan
 
A suggestion for anyone considering a Ruger LCP. Shoot the LCP first, then try shooting the LC9s. You won't believe the difference in trigger pull! I never leave home without my LC9s, best CC handgun I've ever held or concealed.
 
My buddies that have c.c. say I should get one.. If I can't take care of things with my bright orange sawed off sledge hammer handle with the finger grips wire wheeled into the handle and a leather strap , then I guess I should walk away.. Not a weapon.... A tire beater !!! wink wink
 
We recently traded an LC9 for a revolver (and cash to boot on his end). The Ruger had undoubtedly the worst trigger pull of any gun I have ever shot. Now they say the new ones that are striker fired are pretty good, but the Loooooooooooooooong pull on the originals was so bad that no one that shot ours could hit where the aimed. I can only guess it was because the length of pull made you anticipate the shot too much.

Now of you want a nice CC gun, in 9mm, one of the guys we had over today had a Sig 938. It looks a lot like the Colt Government 380's /Mustangs, but it's a 9mm. I didn't get to actually shoot it, but the feel of it in my had, and a dry fire told me that it's one I'd like to have at some point.
 
The Ruger LCP in .380 is a "get off me gun". Close range only for me. It has poor sights, heavy double action only trigger and due to its light weight, a flinch inducing harsh recoil. It's also really loud with that short barell. I can barely keep all shots on a silhouette target at 25 yds. I don't claim to be a bullseye competitor but can shoot a 4" group at 25 yards with my 1911.

After all that criticism I do carry it occasionally. It's light and easy to conceal. Goes bang every time and will get the bad guys thinking about something else should the need arise.
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Nice picture, Dean. That's a good looking little pistol. That's a good description of it too. I think "flinch inducing harsh recoil" gets to the heart of the matter. I'd like to have one of those because it strikes me as coming close to the ideal combination of concealability in a reasonable caliber, but I dread the thought of having to fire the 200 or 300 rounds through it that you need to do before you carry a handgun. Also, barely keeping all the shots on a silhouette target at 25 yards is not encouraging, because I'm not sure I could shoot a 4" group at 25 yards with my most accurate handgun. I don't know. I do most of my shooting at 25' or less because that's where I would expect it to happen. If there was ever a human threat 75' away from me, I'd probably choose to run for it.

Stan
 
(quoted from post at 12:56:15 01/17/15) My daughter lives and works in Milwaukee. On her last visit home she stated that she would like to get a gun. I advised against it, because you need to know when to use it and and to be prepared to kill someone when you do. Anything else is reckless to keep it polite. If you need a gun to make yourself feel safe, you should seriously consider re-evaluating some of your choices.

I was being hassled by another motorist one day. I determined that day, that I should not carry a gun.

But, to each his own.
STEVE


Exactly! To each his own. The problem is that too many people forget the I am not you and you are not that guy over there. Why we think that our opinion out weighs God given rights to self defense, not to mention Constitutional rights, is beyond me. I'm trying trying to force anyone to carry a gun, I'm just saying don't think you can make the choice for me.
 
The LCP is not my favorite handgun to shoot, but by far the handiest to carry. I have another Ruger...the 1911 commander that I like to shoot better, but it is not handy to carry in my bib overalls.
 
Learned several years ago it is probably best I not carry. I have a stream/creek that runs through my property, and everyone feels they have the right to enter and go upstream even in vehicles as well as on foot (which they do not). I have had several heated confrontations with these individuals when asking them to leave, and in a few instances I would likely have shot some tires out when they insist they can go where they want, which would have undoubtedly have put me in a position I would rather not be in. Usually it takes an hour to get any form of law enforcement here, so I pretty much just have to deal with them on my own.
 
All I can say is that you better carry good insurance. Even if you are right & have to use it, it will cost plenty in lawyers fees.
 
(quoted from post at 07:46:38 01/17/15) Had carried an S&W 6906 until it was criminalized in CT. ".


Nothing criminal about the 6906. Magazines are restricted to 10 rounds (with exceptions).
 
Lou,

How's the trigger on that derringer? Do the barrels print anywhere near each other? The trigger on mine is so heavy and the barrels print so far apart, it is essentially a "press firmly against opponent before pulling (attempting to pull anyway) trigger", type of gun. (smile)
 
You're right, but that's just real life: Hard choices with no good answers. Everything always comes out all right in the end only in fiction. We're constantly confronted with having to try to choose the less bad course of action. Doing your best to do everything right provides no guarantee of anything.

There, now you don't have to go to church.

You're welcome.

Stan
 
Model 19 S&W with 2 1/2 in 357 mag . Sometimes in a shoulder holster and sometimes on the belt . I have had it since late 66 . It has been worked on many years back and has a great trigger and been balanced . When in the fields a Mini 14 and a Rugar single with the 22 mag cyl. in it strapped to the steering support of the tractor.
 
3.5 rocket launcher.

Seriously, considering the antics the NSA and other departments of the federal government have been up to, ya'll are downright crazy to be describing and enumerating the firearm you own on a public forum.

In another thread, I've admitted to owning three shotguns, and I regretted that.
 
For every gun you have ever bought through a dealer or at any reputable dealer at a gun show you have done paper work. You do know that dealers have to keep all their records. That paper work you do on a new or used gun goes through local,state and federal law enforcement. The only ones that there is no paper trail are the guns you buy from private parties or a hand me down firearms.
 
The dealers have to keep their records, yes. But they don't have to turn them over to the government until or unless they go out of business.

As one dealer put it, "If I go out of business, it will be because there was a fire in my files".
 
Donald,
It is definitely an experience firing one with the 410 shotgun shells, it left a perminate print (bruise) on my middle finger from the trigger guard. I should of got one without the trigger guard. It is a he 11 of a belly gun. With 45LC it is tolerable. The trigger isn't too hard to pull,just the recoil with 410's. Accuracy isn't bad for about 20ft with 45's, the 410's with shot and copper discs are formidable anything they hit. It definitely is a close up firearm,but still not disappointed I got it. Makes a nice vehicle CC firearm where space is at a premium.
LOU
 
Goose,
I hate to break it to you, but ATF can go to any FFL dealer and look at their records for sales,buying, of all firearms without a warrant. It is law and any FFL dealer that refuses can get fined, jail time, and lose his license. The link below is laws specific to FFL dealers and ATF agency. The FFL dealers are compelled to present all records from when they first got their license and up to the date of inspection. No difference of states for law,it is Federal Law.
Just thought you would like to know the truth.
LOU
poke here
 
(quoted from post at 13:51:13 01/18/15) All I can say is that you better carry good insurance. Even if you are right & have to use it, it will cost plenty in lawyers fees.


You know, I carried a gun every day for more than 20 years. I had situations where I could have shot and would have been justified entirely. I didn't, but the gun sure made the difference in getting the idiot to comply. You are right, my life would have changed drastically, no doubt about it. It was nothing I ever wanted to do. OTOH, in a couple of those situations if i hadn't had the gun I probably wouldn't be here to write this. It's a tool, no more, no less. I have no issues with harsh punishment for those misusing a gun, but I have real issues with those who live in some dream world where bad people don't prey on good people. Those who choose to defend themselves should not be denied that right, simple as that.
 
Well, one fine day, as I was returning from the target range, another motorist started giving me a hard time. Finally, at a stop light, I saw him get out of his car and walk towards me. I simply laid the barrel of my .357 Ruger Blackhawk on the windowsill (window was open, as it was summer). When he got to my door, I raised up the pistol a bit and said "may I help you?" He turned around and left me alone after that.

Now, is that "brandishing" or is it self defense? I felt threatened, and did not want a street brawl on the side of the road. I also had no intention of shooting or killing unless I was further threatened.

And, to the "insurance police," I don't CARE if my insurance will cover that!!!!! I'd rather deal with the insurance company after the fact than St. Peter at the scene.
 
Jim;

There was a road rage incident in south Tacoma last year where the enraged person followed a man into the suburbs and beat him so badly that he suffered permanent brain damage. That's the kind of no win situation that really scares me. The law says you have the right to defend yourself but the defense has to be proportional to the threat. So if I was attacked by an unarmed person who I was clearly no match for, how badly would I have to be beaten before I could legally defend myself with a weapon to prevent life threatening injury? Your situation worked out just the way it should: A person who probably meant to do you harm was discouraged by the sight of your gun. It's thinking about the alternative ending to that situation that could keep you awake at night: The would-be attacker doesn't believe you will shoot, and tries to take the gun away from you. Then you have no choice but to shoot him, and then you've shot an unarmed person. There's no way you can come out of that situation unscathed.

Stan
 
Well I don't have any guns anymore, I had a tragic boating accident on the Mississippi and lost them. well actually couldn't get all in the first tragic accident so went back to shore to get the second tragic accident going. Terrible loss.
John
 
LCP 380 Ruger with a crimson trace lazer. Long trigger pull. But makes it safer also can see if loaded. Carry in pocket. Most all the time. Got a cc permit.
 
(quoted from post at 00:10:42 01/17/15) I thought someone else would jump in and post this question, but since no one has, I'll do it. What firearm do you carry for personal protection---not hunting, pest control, etc. Tell when and where you carry it if you don't carry it all the time, how you carry it (i.e. in a holster on your hip, in your pants pocket, etc.), and you can tell why you carry it if you want to. Just the make, model, and caliber, if you don't mind. Let's not get into a discussion of the relative merits of any size or type of gun, or start talking about theories of stopping power, or that kind of thing. There are a ton of forums online that discuss those issues endlessly; we don't need to here.

I carry a Kel-Tec .32 ACP when I go out at night when I expect that there's a 99.999% chance that I'd be fine with nothing. I bought it years before Kel-Tec came out with a .380 the same size (just under 10 oz. fully loaded with 7), and then Ruger came out with a better quality .380 that size. I slip a S&W 640 .38 spcl into my back jeans pocket to answer the front door when someone knocks at night. I take a Glock 26 9mm in the vehicle with me when I'll be driving at night. I've held a WA State CWP since 1967, except when I lived in Honolulu for 4 years (none available there at that time), and I've never been in a situation where I needed it. A couple of times away from home things have looked pretty sketchy, and I was glad to have a gun with me. But I've never needed to use it, or show it, or even mention that I had it with me.

Stan

Just a Leatherman Multi Tool. Not dangerous around here.
 

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