OT: Need Help Buying Correct Telephone Wire

Kajun

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Have dial tone at Network Interface Box [NID] but phone rings crazy and won't engage fax machine. So far out in booneys that no local repair contractor available . Tel company says we need to replace wires connecting NID and jacks in house .

Would someone please describe the wire I should buy for that purpose . Thankfully , house is four feet off ground.

Obliged for any guidance.
 
Should point out that phone rings correctly at test point at NID ; it is inside house that we have the problem .

Obliged
 
Radio shack sells to types of telephone wire. One type is for indoor only and the other type if indoor or outdoor. 24 gauge 4 wire. I have a roll of the indoor stuff right here that cost $7.49 for 50 foot of it
 

I've never seen anything other than phone wire that has 4 conducters, red, green, yellow, and black, sheathed in a common white or ivory colored plastic cover.
 
I believe its cat 3 wire but as stated you only need 4 wires red green blue and yellow check and make sure all connections are good and no broken or chewed wires once had a cat pee on the connection box and disrupted the whole house.
Ypop
 
Obliged ,men . You are telling me more than I ever knew. Amazing that one can live so long and know so little :>)
 
The common Telco cable is called Quad cable for 4 wires... You really only need the red and green pair. If your phone does not ring inside, I would suggest checking what else is plugged in or loaded on the line. It is common to have lightning short out the wiring at the jacks or the phone or fax machine that is plugged in. I doubt that you need a complete new wiring but have a jack or equipment problem.
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Phone Wiring
 
I was a telephone repairman for 34 years and your phone sounds as if might be trying to trip ring which means you may have some sort of trouble on your line between the outside of the house and your equipment. If you have an OHM meter, disconnect the phone line in the protector box from the wires that go into your house. Using the OHM meter, look for a short or a ground on all of the wires that were connected to the phone co. line coming into your outside box. If no resistance is found on any of the wires, see if you can trace the line going to your phone in the house and reconnect it to the phone co line. Get someone to call you and see if that clears your problem. If it does, trace the line to your fax machine and reconnect it to the phone co. line. If it still works correctly with the phone and fax connected and there is no more equipment in your house, leave all of the other wires disconnected. If you need to replace the wires going into your house, try to purchase 22 gauge wire since you're so far out of town.
 
the service techs at work use cat 5e cable on an install( I work at a major phone company). use the blue/white pair for regular(pots) phone. that way if you install dsl it will run without problems. as stated regular two pair(red/green and black yellow) will work also using the red/green.

Frank
 
The red/green/yellow/black wire is obsolete. Why it does support plain old telephone service, it does not support any digital, dsl, adsl, isdn, or other services. This wire also did not correctly support two lines as the ringing tone on line one could bleed over to line two. this type of wire had NO twist and therefore was prone to bleed over, crosstalk and data bleed off. Phone companies quit using the old wire in the 70's and switched to cat3 wire. Cat 3 wire will have about 3 twists per foot for each pair of wires so they they never run side by side with the second and third pairs continuously and therefore any crosstalk is canceled out by the twists. Cat 3 will usually be blue/ bluewhite, orange/orangewhite, green... brown... slate...etc etc..

the tip and ring designation refers to how the wire connected to the old cord boards.. the plug for each line consisted of a tip, ring, and sleeve. the sleeve was a ground to the talking was on the tip and ring.. the operator would then plug that cord into the jack to answer the call. The ring is always on the right, always ridged, always red, is the old rules...
(the tip is the left binding post, and the striped wire or non solid color wire.) The solid color replaced the red wire, so a bluewhite/blue wire, the blue would be the ring and the blue/white would the the tip wire.
 
Are you sure the wiring is bad? Start by disconnecting all devices from your phone line except for one and see if you can get a dial tone and ring. It's quite possible you have a bad phone; our DirecTV converter box went bad and knocked out our phones. Does the fax machine work if you plug it directly into the NIB?

The phone company is quick to blame your house wiring, since they don't have to maintain it, but in fact it rarely fails. It's much more likely you have a bad phone or a marginal phone line.
 
(quoted from post at 20:13:44 09/22/14) The red/green/yellow/black wire is obsolete. Why it does support plain old telephone service, it does not support any digital, dsl, adsl, isdn, or other services. This wire also did not correctly support two lines as the ringing tone on line one could bleed over to line two. this type of wire had NO twist and therefore was prone to bleed over, crosstalk and data bleed off. Phone companies quit using the old wire in the 70's and switched to cat3 wire. Cat 3 wire will have about 3 twists per foot for each pair of wires so they they never run side by side with the second and third pairs continuously and therefore any crosstalk is canceled out by the twists. Cat 3 will usually be blue/ bluewhite, orange/orangewhite, green... brown... slate...etc etc..

the tip and ring designation refers to how the wire connected to the old cord boards.. the plug for each line consisted of a tip, ring, and sleeve. the sleeve was a ground to the talking was on the tip and ring.. the operator would then plug that cord into the jack to answer the call. The ring is always on the right, always ridged, always red, is the old rules...
(the tip is the left binding post, and the striped wire or non solid color wire.) The solid color replaced the red wire, so a bluewhite/blue wire, the blue would be the ring and the blue/white would the the tip wire.

The red, green, yellow, and black is all that is in my house. It handles the land line phones just fine, and it is also supplying the DSL for this computer, plus the Wi-Fi. Sometime in the future, we will be getting hooked up to fiber optic, but for now, everything is working just fine.
 
unplug everythng.

see if you get a ring thru / no answer if you call on your cellphone.

then plug one thing back in at a time till you hit a fault.

don't have too much ringer equivalent plugged in do ya?
 
H3!!, for just POTs (voice), your 115v extension cord works, lamp cord works, nearly any conductor........just don't plug it into a wall power receptacle!
Ever look at the telco drop from the pole to house? It isn't even what I would call a "good" conductor......18GA copper clad STEEL wire, whose resistance is greater than 24GA copper wire. For voice, nearly any thing is OK, just as long as it is a virtual open from one conductor to the other....good insulation, no shorts, no leakage.
 
yes,, depending on distance from the co your old type wire will work but will introduce higher loss and severely limit the top speed you can go. the near in crosstalk spec is extremely high and limits the distance and top speed. The noise immunity from power and other noise is also high so that also will lower the signal to noise ratio of the line for data use. It is ultimatly the signal to noise ratio that will determine your service limits of speed and how many fec, necs, and error on your line. If your very close to the source or co, and you have a lower data speed, who cares. If you want to follow the latest and greatest wiring practices.. look up tia/eia 568b wiring practice for business or[u:08fd7b631f] tia 570 for residential wiring [/u:08fd7b631f]practices and guidelines. The 570 is aim at home and very small business wiring and will get you by for correct wiring for data and modern Ethernet wiring that most modern homes use today.
In a previous life I was a certified BICSI RCDD and Lan Specialist Engineer as well as many other alphabet letters on my title. Now I just farm and have forgotten most of that.
 
exactly - very unlikely it's the wiring itself.

One of the most common problems I've seen is the conductors in a wall jack getting mashed together and shorting out.
 
Men , I do appreciate all the help . Proves again that a wealth of information is available here .Do thank you all.
Kajun
 
Same here. Have the standard old-fashioned 4-wire stuff running throughout the house. Voice lines and 10Mb DSL. It all works fine.
 

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