22 ammo for renewing

BIG RUH

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Got an email from the NRA saying that if renew my membership or join the NRA at the World Shooting Complex at Sparta, IL. during the next 2 weeks, while the trap shooting competition is going on they will give me a brick of 22 ammo. I only live about 35 miles from there, so I went there today and renewed my membership. They gave me a box of 333 count 22 LR hollow points. Never been to the shooting complex before and that place is huge. The shooting line is about 1/2 mile long. When I got there it sounded like a continuous string of fire crackers going off with all the shooting.
 
No wonder there is a shortage of 22's! All our Gander mt. has anymore is 9 mm, 40 cal., and 223, all cartridges designed for shooting people! I have been an NRA member for almost 40 years but I will not renew it again, it's not the organization that I joined. The magazine I get is about half political lobbying and I am sick of it!
 
(quoted from post at 15:06:32 08/05/14) No wonder there is a shortage of 22's! All our Gander mt. has anymore is 9 mm, 40 cal., and 223, all cartridges designed for shooting people! I have been an NRA member for almost 40 years but I will not renew it again, it's not the organization that I joined. The magazine I get is about half political lobbying and I am sick of it!

So the NRA giving away a free "brick" of 333 rnds is why there's no ammo? Really? And the 9mm, 40S+W and 223 are "designed for shooting people? News flash bud- everything from the 45-70 to the 30-06 to the 32 S+W were "designed to shoot people" with. Obviously you aren't real big on keeping your right to bear arms and that's fine, it's your choice. But as someone living in a state where that "right" is pretty "infringed" upon, I think you're the type of gun owner that's going to do more harm than good anyway.

As someone else said, don't let the door hit you in the backside on the way out of the NRA.
 
Your right, it is nearly all about political stuff now days, and that"s a good thing in my humble opinion. Too, it may not be the organization you joined 40 years ago, but in those 40 years how much have attitudes toward shooting, and anything else "country" related in general, as the country has become more urbanized? Had everything stayed "normal" where all we were concerned with was having a rifle to hunt for food, rather than what firearm is going to be best for defending yourself from the criminal that tries to rob you as you leave the store, or tries to rob your home, and kill your family as you sleep, then the NRA could have stayed the same. Now they have to fight for your rights, on both the state and federal level, just to have a gun to hunt with, on top of your right to use it to defend yourself and family when they are in danger.

Think about it this way There are quite a few organizations and magazines devoted to hunting, shooting, and guns in general, but what other organization is actually out there fighting for your right to "Keep and Bear Arms", for any reason, except for the NRA?

What other organization is out there trying their best to get the truth out to the masses to counter the lies offered up by those that do nothing but spout those lies in an attempt to scare the masses into giving up more rights willingly?

I"ll jump on board too with the question of what makes you think that the cartridges you list are designed to "kill people"? Sounds like you"ve been sipping the cool aide the other side is pouring out with their lies. Hey, I had an uncle killed with a baseball bat, but you don"t see the politicians putting a stigma on ball bats and trying to ban them do you?

That all said, if you decide not to renew, that"s your choice. However I won"t go so far as to say don"t let the door hit you as we need all the support we can get, more so now than we did 40 years ago. So, if you go, and our rights go too, then just remember you will have absolutely no right to complain.....
 
It's things like the fight against the large
magazine ban that bother me! I think in my
lifetime we have never had the right to own a
fully automatic firearm, and most everyone has no
problem with that. So what is wrong with limiting
magazines to 10 rounds like the law we used to
have? If you can't hit what you are shooting at
with the first 10 rounds you better give up! We
own firearms for hunting and I am not the least
bit worried about loosing them. The only problem
now is the shortage of 22's, and I think that is
caused by hoarders, like the NRA!
 
(quoted from post at 21:18:59 08/05/14) It's things like the fight against the large
magazine ban that bother me! I think in my
lifetime we have never had the right to own a
fully automatic firearm, and most everyone has no
problem with that. So what is wrong with limiting
magazines to 10 rounds like the law we used to
have? If you can't hit what you are shooting at
with the first 10 rounds you better give up! We
own firearms for hunting and I am not the least
bit worried about loosing them. The only problem
now is the shortage of 22's, and I think that is
caused by hoarders, like the NRA!

You have the right to own a fully automatic firearm NOW! Or a sawed off (less than 18" barrel) shotgun. All you have to do is get a Class 3 license. As far as the rest maybe YOU don't desire a mag holding more than 10 rounds. In my state they just tried limiting it to 7 rounds. They lost that battle in court, but not till some people had been arrested and a lot of guns declared illegal because they held 3 more rounds than YOU feel is needed. So now I'll give the wake up call you apparently need- None of this is about what YOU or I feel we "need". It's about the Bill of Rights and being free people. No where in the 2nd Amendment is hunting mentioned. It's not about hunting, it's about self protection and the ability to have a fighting chance. What YOU think doesn't matter bud, because I can assure you there are a lot of people who don't think YOU should have any gun of any type at all!!! What it comes down to is who the heck are YOU to dictate what someone else can own? SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED- remember? We don't need gun control, we need criminal control. Your argument completely ignores the plain fact that they don't want just AR's and AK's outlawed, they want ALL guns outlawed, well, except for the bodyguards guns that protect the "right" people of course. The fact most of them are the same people trying to take your guns might interest you.

Wake up friend, they come for the semi autos and handguns and then it's your deer rifle and bird gun and revolver and then it's your 22 and you're left standing there wondering what the heck happened? Why wasn't anyone fighting this?!!! Just remember you thought the NRA was a waste of time...comrade. :cry:
 
Your attitude is exactly the problem. Think about exactly what you said, 'in my
lifetime we have never had the right to own a
fully automatic firearm, and most everyone has no
problem with that'. In other words at one time EVERYONE could own a fully automatic and no one had a problem with it....NOW THAT RIGHT IS GONE.

Then there's the comment, 'So what is wrong with limiting magazines to 10 rounds like the law we used to have?'. I don't know what the law is where you are, but there has never been a ban on magazines, or their capacity here in NC. That said, what your saying amounts to this. At some point someone in your state government decided that YOU weren't responsible enough to have a firearm capable of shooting more than 10 rounds at a time. So, if your faced with someone from out of your state, or a criminal from within your state that doesn't care what the government thinks, the what do you do when you run out of bullets and need to reload and they are still shooting?

What it all amounts to is the death of our Constitutional rights by a thousand small cuts. They know that any BIG change will 'draw fire' (pun intended)from folks that would otherwise not say anything. On the other hand if they can ban automatics and only a few people get upset, that's perfectly OK. ((((((Personally I'd love to have an automatic just because I could, no other reason needed. Thing is I can if I pay the fee and get the correct license. However if you don't want one, that's your prerogative.))))) Then they decide hey, this guy shot someone with a gun that carries 12 rounds -vs- ten.....so ten people dead are better than 12, so lets limit the capacity to ten....until ten becomes common and accepted. Then the next guy shoots ten people......then lets limit the capacity to 7 since 7 dead is better than 10.......Then, when 7 becomes common, someone shoots 7 people.....so lets limit all magazines to three....until that becomes common. Then why does anyone need anything more than a single shot? Wait a minute, you can kill someone with a single bullet....so why do we need firearms at all?

Like I said, it's a death of our Second Amendment right by a thousand cuts......and they are slowly eroding away at others in the same manner. As I said before you have a right to feel anyway you want, just as I, and other gun owners, be they NRA members or not, have the right to own whatever type of firearm we want, and have as many bullets in the magazine as we want. Personally I don't need some politician telling me what I can and can't do in an attempt to make others 'feel better'.

One last thought and question for you to really put things in perspective? Do you own a car or truck? If so does it have the capability to run faster than the speed limit? Does it have a tank that will hold enough gas to go 500 miles (or chose any number you like). Now the government decides tomorrow that since your vehicle will exceed any posted speed limit that it needs to be governed back, or taken away from you all together so there is no possibility for you to ever exceed the speed limit. Then they decide that you only need to travel 100 miles at any given time, so why should the tank hold enough fuel to go any further? If this was to happen I can guarantee that 99.9% of the public wouldn't agree and wouldn't stand for the restrictions. So, what's the real difference between a fully automatic rifle with a 30 round mag and a Ferrari speeding down the interstate and causing an accident that kills 30 people? Both are machines, and both have the capability to kill when used improperly. The only thing keeping either from doing so is the person behind the wheel, or with their finger on the trigger........................and governmental intrusion or not, they can not make a dishonest man honest, no matter how hard they try........
 
Not trying to stir up something but the 2A does include ammunition, in 18th century terms

The term "arms" implies a standard of arms which is a rifle a pistol, bayonet, shot and powder which is ammo. It actually includes all of the terrible implements of war used by a foot soldier. [Founding father Tench Coxe]
 
NCWayne it Sounds like you understand the battle. If we dont stop the continued attacks on our liberty we wont be nothing but slaves!

There is another group fighting for our rights at the national and state level its GOA. Senator Ted Cruz was elected with the help of GOA, so was Congressman Stockman
 
You can't "stir me up", per se. Actually all I do is speak the truth, and do my best to expose the hypocrisy of the whole mess, and then attempt educate those less knowledgable about the whole situation in a manner that they might understand better by using something that hits them closer to home.

That said, just wait until they decide to outlaw rocks since they can be used in slingshots to kill.....

Better yet, I'll gladly stand behind a push to outlaw ball bats since I had a relative killed by one. Personally I think those black, light weight, aluminum, 'assault' bats are the worst.... If they would just limit the hitting ability of them so you couldn't make but so many hits with it before it broke (was empty), maybe my Uncle would still be alive.

Yes, the anti crowd has an idiotic, hypocritical way of looking at things. Heck my 11 year old daughter understands things better than many adults as she uses more common sense in her way thinking -vs- using nothing but pure, baseless, emotion. I have yet to talk to someone who is anti-gun that can come up with any reason other than "the gun is evil" as a reason for their feelings. On the other hand those very folks wouldn't dare give up the right to the car of their choice just because it would exceed the limit or drive 500 miles on a tank of gas. The sad thing is that many of them are simply so closed minded that they don't even realize the hypocrisy of their own words, even when their turned around on them in regard to something they feel strongly about.....That, to me, is idiotic, and hypocritical all rolled into one.

But that is just my .02, for what it's worth, and everyone else has their own .02 to throw in also.....just not enough of them have the gumption to do so.........
 
After reading some of the comments I'm glade a few people still have a fire for liberty.

I'm old enough to remember when we could buy guns through the mail without back ground checks or 4473 forms yet crime was low. We did not have the prohibitions we have today concerning gun ownership.

What happened is we removed the checks and balances between the Bad guys and the rest of us by passing gun control. That action took guns out of the hands of people that had no desire to comment crime.

Look at Chicago; before the passage of the FOID card law there were over 200 gun stores in the city selling guns many included mail order sales. After the passage of the Illinois FOID card law the homicide rate in the city of Chicago has never been lower than it was before the passage of the FOID law.

I have sent documentation from Chicago's own police reports and records to my state reps proving this point but they dont care.

I dont think anything will change until enough people give a rats rear end about their freedom.
 
A clear alternative is the Australian example .
I am only allowed to keep a single shot 4/10 shot gun , and only because I have some acreage and submit to a police criminal check as well as a psychiatric evaluation every five years .
Every gun is registered and must be produced on demand to a sworn law enforcement officer . They must be kept locked in a secure steel safe with ammunition stored in a separate and just as secure location, remote from the gun safe . The key must be kept with the owner or under the control of the owner at all times as well . licences cost hundreds of dollars and can be revoked at any time for a number of minor offences . A spouse or significant other can object to any person owning a firearm . Automatic and semi automatic firearms are banned . Small arms or side arms are restricted to police , military and security personnel and just forget about a sawn off anything .
 
Sad((((( and proud at the same time)))) to say it, but my 11 year old daughter understands things better than most adults.....and handles a pistol better than many too.... Anyways, it"s not rocket science, but way to many people have no idea what they are willingly giving up in far too many ways, simply because it"s all being taken away a little at a time. Kind of like the frog and the boiling water. Put him in the boiling water and he"ll immediately try to jump out.....put him in cold water and sit it on the burner, and he"ll slowly get hotter and hotter and cook until he"s dead..... Personally I don"t want to cook........I"d rather just be dead.......
 
I've held a life membership since the mid-eighties. A few years ago they decided I've lived long enough and discontinued my magazine subscription. They still call from time to time to hit me up for donations, to which my response is always the same: Where's my magazine?
 
I would have no problem FULLY legalizing flintlocks and let you make all the balls and powder you want.

I do not agree with the unlimited magazines, those become weapons of mass destruction.
 
As I stated earlier, any machine, or "weapon" can become a weapon of mass destruction, as you put it. Seriously, some idiot in his Ferrari driving down the interstate at 100 MPH plus causes a chain reaction accident that results in 10, 20, even 30 deaths, means that the car was a weapon of mass destruction. Kill a handful of people with a butter knife and it becomes a 'weapon of mass destruction'. That said, no one has a problem with the right to buy firearms being limited to "normal, sane, regular" (call it what you will) honest folks, and kept from criminals, because when it comes down to the wire the only ones that can turn anything into a 'weapon of mass destruction' is the human holding it.

Given the way that many think, we simply need to ban humans as the human is the one using the object, regardless of what it is, to cause the crime. That said, please explain why any object needs to be banned from ownership by good, honest folks when the criminals really don't care to follow the law and will get their hands on them anyways....usually with the intent to use them, against the 'good honest folks', whom they know won't be similarly equipped, because they try to abide by the law?

In the end the argument simply doesn't make sense that banning anything will make anyone safer, and that's supposed to be what it's all about.... Obviously it's not though, because every time that fact is brought to light, they find another way to play on people's emotions and get them to make baseless, emotional decisions rather than common sense, rational decisions. Why do you think they make such big pushes for gun control, magazine bans, etc right after a tragedy happens wanting more restrictions....knowing full well that the last round of restrictions didn't stop the tragedy that just happened.............Like I said above, 10 rounds, 7 rounds, 3 rounds, 1 round, then YOUR RIGHTS ARE GONE........
 
So if you are OK with 10 rounds, why not 6? If you can't hit it in 6 rounds go home. Or how about 4, four seems like a safe number - are you good with that? How about 2? I mean that's still more than 1. Are you good with that?

I've never seen anyone that "needed" to burn a flag for a political statement - yet somehow that right (that never existed before) is now the law of the land and New York is trying to decide if 7 rounds or 8 rounds is the majic "safe" number. Without a shred of evidence that limiting the size a magazine will make a single person safer than they were with no limit.
 
Just curious...Why respond back to the short posts, but not to mine? Could it be because your arguments simply don't hold up when placed in context with facts concerning the human responsibility involved with the ownership, or operation of any machine, be it a gun or a car, and not just the rhetoric spouted off by the modern anti-gun crowd?

That said, not trying to pick a fight or get you riled up, but simply making an observation that seems to hold true with every anti-gunner (be they hard core, or the ones like yourself that simply seem to be more blasé about the whole situation) that I have seen or talked to personally.
 
(quoted from post at 06:40:33 08/06/14) I've held a life membership since the mid-eighties. A few years ago they decided I've lived long enough and discontinued my magazine subscription. They still call from time to time to hit me up for donations, to which my response is always the same: Where's my magazine?

I've had a Life Membership since 72 IIRC. I still get my mag every month like clockwork. I think you need to call them.
 
(quoted from post at 09:55:56 08/06/14) I would have no problem FULLY legalizing flintlocks and let you make all the balls and powder you want.

I do not agree with the unlimited magazines, those become weapons of mass destruction.

Fine, then lets take away your right to assemble, to speak out on political issues, to go to church or not go to church. We'll house troops in your home at your expense and do any with the press and internet. No more private property, no more trial by jury.

Just which rights do you want to give up first? 99.999999% of the people out there will never commit a crime of any kind with a gun, but you want the rest of us to give up our rights?!

BTW- a magazine does not "become a weapon". It's just a mag. People, crazy, drugged up, drunk, desperate people become the weapons.
 
Mark my word.. there will come a time when the armed citizen will be all that stands between freedom and a totalitarian state..and it won't be as long as it has been.
As far as the Australians are concerned.. they are subjects to the British crown and have been conditioned over the years to submit to socialism and governmental control. We got rid of such idiocy back in 1776 and don't want it anymore. As far as I'm concerned, the British Royalty should have received the same treatment as did the French royalty at the hands of their citizens. No telling the wars and bloodshed that would have been avoided over the following century..
Americans are not subjects.. we are citizens and we have unalienable rights that people have died for and continue to die for.There are those among us that are more than willing to give up freedom in the name of security, and in the long run will have neither one.
There is NO ARGUMENT>>> CASE CLOSED
 
NC WAYNE
You are correct in what you say and I for one am proud to know that you are from our great state!
Keep it up!
Bill
Im really surprised that all of this hasn't been POOFED>
 
That"s one heck of a place isin"t it? I have shot sporting clays there twice with my friends. The whole place is huge!
 

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