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Stan in Oly, WA

06-07-2014 08:26:13
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Nobody ever developed asbestosis except for Canadian asbestos miners and Johns Manville asbestos insulation factory workers. Read about it. Uncountable numbers of coal miners have developed (and died from) black lung over the centuries, yet we don't treat coal as if it's plutonium. Asbestos is the current glamor poison.

By all means, call the EPA and turn yourself in. They want you to be safe no matter how little the risk or how much the cost.

Stan

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bob ia

06-07-2014 17:57:53
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 Re: Asbestos air ducts in reply to Stan in Oly, WA, 06-07-2014 08:26:13  
I spent 35 years working in powerplants. Up until last 20 years it was not harmfull . But after osha made us take classes and have tests talicaum depoistchings were different. It has taken 4 of my fellow workers lives and it is not a plesant death . When I retired they gave us test and thankfully I had no problem. I have a chest xray every 3 years as I have a spot on lung but unrelated. Only thing so far I agree is paint and seal if even tore the fibers will get in air and can stay for a long time.life is too precious

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petetx

06-07-2014 16:14:33
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 Re: Asbestos air ducts in reply to Stan in Oly, WA, 06-07-2014 08:26:13  
Stan check again some of us do have asbestosis from years of working around it in chemical plants and powerhouses I'm on 24 hr oxygen so tell me about it.



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Pops1532

06-07-2014 12:58:05
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 Re: Asbestos air ducts in reply to Stan in Oly, WA, 06-07-2014 08:26:13  

Stan in Oly, WA said: (quoted from post at 15:26:13 06/07/14) Nobody ever developed asbestosis except for Canadian asbestos miners and Johns Manville asbestos insulation factory workers. Read about it. Uncountable numbers of coal miners have developed (and died from) black lung over the centuries, yet we don't treat coal as if it's plutonium. Asbestos is the current glamor poison.

By all means, call the EPA and turn yourself in. They want you to be safe no matter how little the risk or how much the cost.

Stan


Just curious where you got that info?
I built a house for a guy that got asbestosis from doing asbestos abatement....and he took all the precautions.
I also know of someone that got it from brake dust back when they used asbestos in brake linings.
If I know two people that got it in my little corner of the world, certainly there are many more.

Last I checked, maybe 8 or 10 years ago the EPA didn't have any rules regarding removing asbestos in homes. Even if they did, they likely wouldn't apply to a person removing asbestos from their own home.
That doesn't mean someone should ignore safe work procedures.
This post was edited by Pops1532 at 13:07:22 06/07/14.

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Stan inOly, WA

06-07-2014 14:00:55
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 Re: Asbestos air ducts in reply to Pops1532, 06-07-2014 12:58:05  
Short of a biopsy (or an autopsy), the normal way that asbestosis, or pleural mesothelioma, is discovered is through differential diagnosis---a background of known exposure in conjunction with ruling out other possibilities. The actor Steve McQueen was a heavy cigarette smoker until he came down with a persistent cough which turned out to be lung cancer. It was suggested that the condition was the result of the asbestos in the flame retardant clothing he had worn while filming a movie about car racing. The maker of the clothing was able to demonstrate that the clothing in question had never contained asbestos, but it sort of makes my point. A lifetime of heavy tobacco smoking and a short period of wearing clothing supposedly containing asbestos results in a diagnosis of asbestos related lung cancer. Likewise, I suggest that a person who "took all the precautions" in doing asbestos abatement would be diagnosed with asbestosis because, being involved with asbestos, no other diagnosis would even be considered. Think about it. The protective measures are uncomplicated and well proven, while asbestos is only hazardous, not magic. But by all means a person should be careful dealing with asbestos, or any hazardous substance. Because, remember, if you smoke thirty cigarettes a day for forty years, and once you removed some asbestos wrapped ductwork while wearing only a dust mask instead of a respirator, if you come down with lung cancer, it's going to be because of the asbestos.

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dr sportster

06-07-2014 15:41:44
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 Re: Asbestos air ducts in reply to Stan inOly, WA, 06-07-2014 14:00:55  
Stan , I see from a google search on McQueen it states that his racing suit was nomex and contained no asbestos. Although that may be true somewhere I read that McQueen stuffed extra asbestos sheeting under his suit during certain stunts. I can't find the source right now but I'll keep looking. It may have even been Easyriders magazine. Search about a company from NJ caled UNARCO [ United Asbestos and Rubber Company ] where every worker died in their early forties . The wives lasted a bit longer . Everyone from the junkyard next door also died becuase the fan from the factory was blowing out the side of the building into the junkyard. You may not be afraid of asbestos but what if I offered you a small almost tiny pill . Not even milligrams but a few micrograms . It is so tiny it cant hardly have any effect on you at all . It is called LSD . Woah ,there goes Stan running down the highway naked . How did that happen?

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Stan in Oly, WA

06-08-2014 14:01:28
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 Re: Asbestos air ducts in reply to dr sportster, 06-07-2014 15:41:44  
LSD never made me act like that, and I see no reason to think it would now. Besides, the effective dose would have to be zero micrograms for the offer of a pill to cause an adverse reaction. I'd as soon put a gun to my head and pull the trigger just because someone suggested it as put a pill in my mouth just because someone offered it.

Am I taking all this $hit because I specified asbestos miners and asbestos insulation factory workers as the people who got asbestosis? I wouldn't have expected that it would take rocket scientists to deduce that what I was talking about was that the statistically verifiable asbestos exposure risk is largely limited to people in occupations where exposure is high and long term. Certainly, people not exposed to a lot of asbestos, or for a long time, also come down with pleural mesolithioma. Given that there are almost a third of a billion of us in this country now, anything that CAN happen is going to happen numerically a lot. And I never suggested that anyone be careless about dealing with asbestos. Following the recommended safety procedures when handling asbestos ought to be entirely adequate to prevent dangerous exposure. There's really no need to get hysterical about it.

As far as my contention that any known exposure to asbestos, no matter how small, will virtually guarantee that a later diagnosis of lung cancer will be labeled asbestosis, I'd like to call attention to a parallel hysterical reaction. The number of brown recluse spider bites that show up at emergency rooms, and are treated as such, is highest in parts of the country that have no brown recluse spiders. In parts of the country where brown recluse bites actually occur, ER personnel are often familiar with the real thing, and so are able to recognize the many other things that people think are spider bites that actually aren't.

Stan

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bob ia

06-07-2014 18:02:00
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 Re: Asbestos air ducts in reply to dr sportster, 06-07-2014 15:41:44  
A insulators wife died early just from washing his clothes thank god we did our laundry at the plant



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1948CaseVAI

06-07-2014 08:31:51
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 Re: Asbestos air ducts in reply to Stan in Oly, WA, 06-07-2014 08:26:13  
X2 what Stan said. If you just pull the stuff out you are only in danger of dramatic EPA action and hysterical public reaction. You would not be in danger from the asbestos after one remodel.
The American public has lost it's sense so you will not want to talk about how you got it out or where you disposed of it. Disposal is another hysterical issue. Just bury it somewhere and stay silent, and enjoy pulling one over on the government.

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dr sportster

06-07-2014 13:38:17
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 Re: Asbestos air ducts in reply to 1948CaseVAI, 06-07-2014 08:31:51  
Under a microscope asbestos looks like a tiny pile of fish hooks. You want a pile of fish hooks made of rock in your lungs go ahead and fly it all over your house. You sound like a cheap doctor who dumps his medical waste in the river or kids playground.



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T in NE

06-08-2014 07:13:56
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 Re: Asbestos air ducts in reply to dr sportster, 06-07-2014 13:38:17  
If I remember right, there's 2 types of asbestos, and the hooked ones are the bad ones. The straight-fibered ones are harmless. Typical government, ban it all, don't differentiate.



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