Welding hooks on bucket

nisse · May 29, 2014

My brother bought a different loader and wants me to weld on some hooks on the bucket for him. He bought some weld on grade 70 hooks from BA products and I think the bucket is 1/4" plate. There is 6013 and 7018 rod at the farm, which would be best? Single or multi pass? Any other tricks?
Thanks,
John

Jim in Ma. · May 29, 2014

I would use the 7018. Clean the area real good, and make two or three passes.

Ron Grother · May 29, 2014

I get some plate steel the length of the bucket weld that on. then the hooks

souNdguy · May 29, 2014

ditto what both other guys said.

use the 7018 ( is it 7018 ac ? ) the 6013 is a low penetration rod.

and scabbing some palte on that the hooks are welded too will help keep them from deforming the bucket if tugging a big load.

Pete Hall · May 29, 2014

6013 rod if you only have AC machine or 7018 if you have DC machine .Multi passes are stronger but you will never lift enough with a loader to break a good single pass weld with either rod.
my opinion only

cd1 · May 29, 2014

out of your options, 7018, period. If you need to buy 5 lb of new rod though then so be it.

nisse · May 29, 2014

Thanks for the responses, it is a ac machine.
I like the idea of adding some more plate and
will use 7018 rod. Will give me a chance to
work on my stick welding, don't do as much
since I got a mig at home.
Thanks,
John

dr sportster · May 29, 2014

7018 is a fillet joint rod .so 7018[ and it is age sensitive to moisture so the previous post about get some new 7018 is a good idea] 7018 not kept in a rod oven is questionable..

dr sportster · May 29, 2014

You must realize the pass for that is verticle up . If you have not done those type welds before it may be best to hire someone. You can probably watch that type of weld position on youtube ,but you better practice some verticle upward passes first. Its not like you can turn the bucket on its side [ or maybe you can in which case forget everything I posted haha . so there! .]

Alan K · May 29, 2014

I would go with the 7018. I used 7014 on my shop press. Ive always had good luck with 6013. Years ago my dad welded a hook in the center of the loader bucket and used either 6011 or 6013. He lifted a 4 row cultivator on to a trailer with it. It is still on the bucket...of course, he could weld anything.

nisse · May 29, 2014

I was just thinking about it and I'm pretty
sure the rods available are actually 6011 and
7014. It is about 45 minutes away from home so
won't be able to check for sure until this weekend.
Sorry for the confusion,
John

Anonymous-0 · May 29, 2014

Not trying to discourage you John but if you're
welding lifting hooks on a bucket and you have
very little experience welding, get someone with
more experience to weld them! Just by your
questions, this sounds like the case. Lifting
hooks are not a welding project for a beginner.
You or someone else could be seriously injured if
the welds failed. You could also damage your
tractor or whatever you're lifting.

Butch(OH) · May 30, 2014

Ya know Stick Welder, when I first read your response I kinda thought you were being a weld snob but after just a bit of thought I came to the point that you are right. We dont know if the guy can weld or place chicken scratch"ens and (no offence intended to the OP) that he had to ask what rod to use lends me towards #2.

If you decide to weld those hooks on the bucket please go find something that there is no way the tractor can lift it and hook a chain to it for a test. Years of being around such has taught me that no matter the intended use, eventually something real heavy will be attempted. If it breaks you want it to happen under controlled conditions, not when something valued is being lifted or when a person"s life could be in jeopardy. Safety freak? nope, just a realist.

Donald Lehman · May 30, 2014

First off, very few AC welders will work with 7018 rod. I would try a practice weld with 7018 before I went at the hooks. 7014 does not pernetrate as deep as the 6013/6011 rods but is a bit stronger.

Bill in IL · May 30, 2014

I agree with the others that these are going to take a lot of stress and some practice before hand is a good idea.

I would weld the root pass with the the 6011s then lay two passes of 7018 over it to complete a 3 pass weld. If you don't have the 6011s then I would get some for this purpose and future use they are the best rod for use around the farm.

Cas · May 30, 2014

Not trying to put down you welding skills. But, if you have to ask which rod you use hire it welded.
With no experience in vertical welding, it could potentially be the most expensive weld of your life.

Stan in Oly, WA · May 30, 2014

Donald,

Regular 7018 (that is, not 7018 AC) is certainly much more difficult to use with buzz box type welders than many other rods, including 7014, 6013, and 6011, but it can be done. The real problem is that it creates an additional level of difficulty, which is clearly not needed in this situation.

As a point of interest, AC is the recommended polarity for some varieties of 7018, for instance Lincoln rods which end with the designation H8, and all 7018 at higher amperage settings.

Stan

JMS/.MN · May 30, 2014

Direction would depend on how the bucket is made. I have several, JD, Gehl, and generic. All have three hooks, welded on a horizontal surface at the top of the bucket. re testing...I think a massive oak would work...LOL

Geo-TH,In · May 30, 2014

John,
I have 3 hooks bolted to my front bucket. I like to
be able to turn hooks, sometimes I use chain on
front, side or back of bucket. Bolts work for me. I
personally would want mine welded.
George

Anonymous-0 · May 30, 2014

I think you meant 6010/6011 not 6013. 6011 is actually stronger than 7014. 7014 has more tensile strength but 6011 has better ductility. That's why 6010/6011 are used for dynamic loads and 7014 is used for static loads. Tensile strength is only one factor in overall strength of different rods.

danmcdonald · May 31, 2014

I did mine with a plate of steel running flat on the bucket that the hooks are welded to but I went a little further and welded vertically a 2x1/2 plate behind the hooks as to stop the bucket from bending. Both plates are the withe of the bucket. If I had angle iron I would have used it.

rustyfarmall · May 31, 2014

A guy out in the sticks who owns a welder probably does know how to use it, but probably cannot afford to keep a large assortment of welding rod on hand. I keep 6011 and some 7014. The 6011 is my first choice for most jobs, but if I don't like the looks of a that first bead layed down, I'll try the 7014. If I still don't like it, I'll experiment with varying heat ranges and techniques. Sometimes a higher heat will deliver the results I want, sometimes a lower heat works better. I've never experienced a failure.

Donald Lehman · Jun 1, 2014

Thanks for the extra info guys.

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