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Welding hooks on bucket

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nisse

05-29-2014 14:56:13
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My brother bought a different loader and wants me to weld on some hooks on the bucket for him. He bought some weld on grade 70 hooks from BA products and I think the bucket is 1/4" plate. There is 6013 and 7018 rod at the farm, which would be best? Single or multi pass? Any other tricks?
Thanks,

John




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George Marsh

05-30-2014 13:30:16
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 Re: Welding hooks on bucket in reply to nisse, 05-29-2014 14:56:13  
John,
I have 3 hooks bolted to my front bucket. I like to be able to turn hooks, sometimes I use chain on front, side or back of bucket. Bolts work for me. I personally would want mine welded.
George



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Cas

05-30-2014 09:03:55
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 Re: Welding hooks on bucket in reply to nisse, 05-29-2014 14:56:13  
Not trying to put down you welding skills. But, if you have to ask which rod you use hire it welded.
With no experience in vertical welding, it could potentially be the most expensive weld of your life.



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Bill in IL

05-30-2014 07:22:26
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 Re: Welding hooks on bucket in reply to nisse, 05-29-2014 14:56:13  
I agree with the others that these are going to take a lot of stress and some practice before hand is a good idea.

I would weld the root pass with the the 6011s then lay two passes of 7018 over it to complete a 3 pass weld. If you don't have the 6011s then I would get some for this purpose and future use they are the best rod for use around the farm.



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Stick welding

05-29-2014 21:25:05
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 Re: Welding hooks on bucket in reply to nisse, 05-29-2014 14:56:13  
Not trying to discourage you John but if you're welding lifting hooks on a bucket and you have very little experience welding, get someone with more experience to weld them! Just by your questions, this sounds like the case. Lifting hooks are not a welding project for a beginner. You or someone else could be seriously injured if the welds failed. You could also damage your tractor or whatever you're lifting.

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Butch(OH)

05-30-2014 04:32:32
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 Re: Welding hooks on bucket in reply to Stick welding, 05-29-2014 21:25:05  
Ya know Stick Welder, when I first read your response I kinda thought you were being a weld snob but after just a bit of thought I came to the point that you are right. We dont know if the guy can weld or place chicken scratch"ens and (no offence intended to the OP) that he had to ask what rod to use lends me towards #2.

If you decide to weld those hooks on the bucket please go find something that there is no way the tractor can lift it and hook a chain to it for a test. Years of being around such has taught me that no matter the intended use, eventually something real heavy will be attempted. If it breaks you want it to happen under controlled conditions, not when something valued is being lifted or when a person"s life could be in jeopardy. Safety freak? nope, just a realist.

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nisse

05-29-2014 19:58:26
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 Re: Welding hooks on bucket in reply to nisse, 05-29-2014 14:56:13  
I was just thinking about it and I'm pretty sure the rods available are actually 6011 and 7014. It is about 45 minutes away from home so won't be able to check for sure until this weekend. Sorry for the confusion, John



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Alan K

05-29-2014 18:23:13
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 Re: Welding hooks on bucket in reply to nisse, 05-29-2014 14:56:13  
I would go with the 7018. I used 7014 on my shop press. Ive always had good luck with 6013. Years ago my dad welded a hook in the center of the loader bucket and used either 6011 or 6013. He lifted a 4 row cultivator on to a trailer with it. It is still on the bucket...of course, he could weld anything.



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dr sportster

05-29-2014 18:04:33
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 Re: Welding hooks on bucket in reply to nisse, 05-29-2014 14:56:13  
7018 is a fillet joint rod .so 7018[ and it is age sensitive to moisture so the previous post about get some new 7018 is a good idea] 7018 not kept in a rod oven is questionable..



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nisse

05-29-2014 18:03:53
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 Re: Welding hooks on bucket in reply to nisse, 05-29-2014 14:56:13  
Thanks for the responses, it is a ac machine. I like the idea of adding some more plate and will use 7018 rod. Will give me a chance to work on my stick welding, don't do as much since I got a mig at home.
Thanks,
John



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Donald Lehman

05-30-2014 06:04:58
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 Re: Welding hooks on bucket in reply to nisse, 05-29-2014 18:03:53  
First off, very few AC welders will work with 7018 rod. I would try a practice weld with 7018 before I went at the hooks. 7014 does not pernetrate as deep as the 6013/6011 rods but is a bit stronger.



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Stick welding

05-30-2014 19:13:25
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 Re: Welding hooks on bucket in reply to Donald Lehman, 05-30-2014 06:04:58  
I think you meant 6010/6011 not 6013. 6011 is actually stronger than 7014. 7014 has more tensile strength but 6011 has better ductility. That's why 6010/6011 are used for dynamic loads and 7014 is used for static loads. Tensile strength is only one factor in overall strength of different rods.



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Stan in Oly, WA

05-30-2014 09:16:56
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 Re: Welding hooks on bucket in reply to Donald Lehman, 05-30-2014 06:04:58  
Donald,

Regular 7018 (that is, not 7018 AC) is certainly much more difficult to use with buzz box type welders than many other rods, including 7014, 6013, and 6011, but it can be done. The real problem is that it creates an additional level of difficulty, which is clearly not needed in this situation.

As a point of interest, AC is the recommended polarity for some varieties of 7018, for instance Lincoln rods which end with the designation H8, and all 7018 at higher amperage settings.

Stan

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Donald Lehman

06-01-2014 17:56:38
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 Re: Welding hooks on bucket in reply to Stan in Oly, WA, 05-30-2014 09:16:56  
Thanks for the extra info guys.



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dr sportster

05-29-2014 18:21:24
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 Re: Welding hooks on bucket in reply to nisse, 05-29-2014 18:03:53  
You must realize the pass for that is verticle up . If you have not done those type welds before it may be best to hire someone. You can probably watch that type of weld position on youtube ,but you better practice some verticle upward passes first. Its not like you can turn the bucket on its side [ or maybe you can in which case forget everything I posted haha . so there! .]



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JMS/.MN

05-30-2014 09:17:46
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 Re: Welding hooks on bucket in reply to dr sportster, 05-29-2014 18:21:24  
Direction would depend on how the bucket is made. I have several, JD, Gehl, and generic. All have three hooks, welded on a horizontal surface at the top of the bucket. re testing...I think a massive oak would work...LOL



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cd1

05-29-2014 17:30:02
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 Re: Welding hooks on bucket in reply to nisse, 05-29-2014 14:56:13  
out of your options, 7018, period. If you need to buy 5 lb of new rod though then so be it.



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pete hall

05-29-2014 17:19:22
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 Re: Welding hooks on bucket in reply to nisse, 05-29-2014 14:56:13  
6013 rod if you only have AC machine or 7018 if you have DC machine .Multi passes are stronger but you will never lift enough with a loader to break a good single pass weld with either rod.
my opinion only



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soundguy

05-29-2014 16:11:31
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 Re: Welding hooks on bucket in reply to nisse, 05-29-2014 14:56:13  
ditto what both other guys said.

use the 7018 ( is it 7018 ac ? ) the 6013 is a low penetration rod.

and scabbing some palte on that the hooks are welded too will help keep them from deforming the bucket if tugging a big load.



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Ron Grother

05-29-2014 15:53:58
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 Re: Welding hooks on bucket in reply to nisse, 05-29-2014 14:56:13  
I get some plate steel the length of the bucket weld that on. then the hooks



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danmcdonald

05-31-2014 05:20:31
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 Re: Welding hooks on bucket in reply to Ron Grother, 05-29-2014 15:53:58  
I did mine with a plate of steel running flat on the bucket that the hooks are welded to but I went a little further and welded vertically a 2x1/2 plate behind the hooks as to stop the bucket from bending. Both plates are the withe of the bucket. If I had angle iron I would have used it.



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rustyfarmall

05-31-2014 12:18:37
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 Re: Welding hooks on bucket in reply to danmcdonald, 05-31-2014 05:20:31  
A guy out in the sticks who owns a welder probably does know how to use it, but probably cannot afford to keep a large assortment of welding rod on hand. I keep 6011 and some 7014. The 6011 is my first choice for most jobs, but if I don't like the looks of a that first bead layed down, I'll try the 7014. If I still don't like it, I'll experiment with varying heat ranges and techniques. Sometimes a higher heat will deliver the results I want, sometimes a lower heat works better. I've never experienced a failure.

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Jim in Ma.

05-29-2014 15:30:51
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 Re: Welding hooks on bucket in reply to nisse, 05-29-2014 14:56:13  
I would use the 7018. Clean the area real good, and make two or three passes.



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