I guess the Chicago plan isn't working , 45 shootings, 9 deaths over Easter weekend and no guns are permitted at all.....hmmmm I'll be watching .
 
In an article in December last year, USA Today reported that there are, on average, 28 to 29 mass shootings per year nationwide, with about 147 victims. With our current population of about 314 million, this means that statistically you’re unlikely to even be in the vicinity of a mass shooting in your lifetime. If you are, though, and you happen to be in Georgia, now there is a much better chance that someone besides the mass shooter will be armed. Time will tell whether more people being armed in more places will mean fewer victims of mass shootings in Georgia.

I don’t know the rate of drunken bar fights that lead to violence in Georgia, but I’ll bet it’s more than 1 per 10,827,586 people per year (the rate of mass shootings). I was in Atlanta once, about ten years ago, and I was impressed at how much people of all different races and ethnic backgrounds seemed to enjoy each other’s company and have a good time partying together. I also noticed that a fair amount of alcohol was consumed. Now, I’ve never been near a mass shooting myself, but I’ve witnessed a surprising amount of drunken violence. And by surprising, I mean a lot. So I’m guessing that with more people able to legally carry guns in all sorts of places, some alcohol fueled shootings are going to replace alcohol fueled fist fights, and that the increase in ordinary gun deaths might outweigh the decrease in mass shooting deaths. But, again, time will tell. I absolutely approve of the right of the people of the state of Georgia to do what they want. And I’m glad to get a chance to watch this interesting experiment from the safe distance of Washington State.

Stan
 
All of you rednecks are gonna put your eyes out! After watching Ralphie"s Christmas movie these many years, it amazes me why anybody needs anything more than a Daisy Red Rider BB gun. Them things is deadly on bad guys. ("Course, they presents a problem if"n you wants to conceal carry!)
 
Time will tell if its a good idea. Some of these laws are in place because of a real problem and some because of a perceived future problem. I think its a step in the right direction personally but with my record of being right and wrong, well let's just say I wouldn't bet on me :)
 
well it's about time. and just think, there will be less protesters because a good percent of them will probably be in the hospital with heart attacks, strokes, aneurisms, manic depression, etc... i still like the idea of passing a law that requires all anti gun folks to post a sign in their front yard stating that theirs is a gun free business or residence.
 
Yeah.... ever notice that the places with the strictest gun laws and prohibitions also have the highest number of shootings and the highest crime rates? Seems like the governing bodies are too stupid to take the hint.
 
Or they're trying to do something in response to it.

I'm not sure how giving gang members more access to guns would ever result in less murders and accidental deaths of bystanders.

That saying of an armed society is a polite society is far from true.
 
Its the wild ,wild west [south]. Just hope your wife doesn't get killed in the supermarket when some dummy drops a pocketbook with a round in the chamber. In my state the cops have shootouts with each other when they come out of the PBA meeting drunk, Should be interesting.
 
Lol, that's a funny thought. I equally
support a law that says that no one can
own a gun and a law that says everyone has
to own a gun. People that are ready to
force it all one way usually don't
understand that philosophy.
 
Hi Dan,

Of course it doesn't apply only to mass shootings. I brought up mass shootings because they represent a high visibility, emotional issue that seems to polarize gun control and gun rights points of view. After any mass shooting involving adults (nobody, to my knowledge, ever suggested that the children at Sandy Hook Elementary School should have been armed), there is always a public outcry for stricter gun control, as well as sincere claims that the carnage could have been prevented, or at least mitigated, if armed citizens had been present and intervened. I'm saying that it will be interesting to see the effects of a major liberalization of gun carry laws in a defined geographical area.

If you can think of a more useful quantifiable measure of benefit from the easing of gun carry restrictions, please suggest it. Greater personal freedom may be an immediate benefit, but unfortunately, it's not quantifiable. This is an issue I'm extremely interested in, and have been for more than forty years. My point of view on this matter shouldn't enter into it, but on this forum it probably does. I suspect that if you had to guess at my position on the issue of gun rights, you'd probably guess wrong.

Stan
 
Whatever. I recall reading once when the Iraq War was at its peak, you were still safer in Iraq than on the streets of New York City.
 
I watched the drama and heard all of the media hype when the nnalert took over the house & senate in Wisconsin. One of the first things they did was to pass a concealed carry bill, the media went crazy and promised us that there would be shoot outs in the streets daily and thousands would die. Then our governor (the one that looked like Elmer Fudd, vetoed it, twice). Seems Wisconsin residents aren't up to snuff and can't behave like folks in neighboring states like say Minnesota or Michigan as they had concealed carry and their crime rates seemed to be gong down. Makes me wonder if the entire state of Wisconsin shouldn't be sent to jail for being low lifes. Well Elmer Fudd figured out he wasn't going to get re-elected, didn't run and we got a new governor, he signed concealed carry into law and low and behold blood is not running in the streets, also passed legislation that severely limited public employees collective bargaining rights, for this we were assured within weeks all public employees would be working for minimum wage in unheated unlit buildings with no fringe benefits, they's get cancer, AIDS, tuberculosis and the plague without their union protection. Don't think that happened either. I think the only repercussions from Wisconsin concealed carry is if you're in Wisconsin and you have a sudden urge to do robbery or gun violence you head to Illinois where you're pretty sure they can't shoot back.
 
Don't know exactly what Georgia passed, but here in NC part of the law that allows concealed carry is absolutely no alcohol is to be consumed while you are carrying. In fact, only recently did the law here get changed to where you can legally carry in establishments that serve alcohol.

That said, personally I'd much rather be carrying, and be sober enough to hit what I was aiming at, rather than drunk to the point that the criminal with the intent to 'shoot up the joint', or rob me as I was leaving, was able to take my gun from me and use it on me and someone else due to the fact I was too drunk to resist.
 
That one's good. So is Point Blank: Guns and Violence in America by Gary Kleck. Be ready to wade through some heavy duty statistical analysis if you want to read Point Blank, though. Kleck doesn't say anything he can't back up, and it's not written for people who prefer the Sunday funnies. It's impossible to dismiss his conclusion that gun ownership and use for self defense prevents over half a million cases of criminal victimization per year (generally without the gun being fired). Since his figures can't be dismissed, they're ignored. John Lott provides specific examples of how the appropriate use of firearms for self defense is almost never reported by the media unless there is an actual shooting involved, and even then, usually only where the circumstances are questionable.

Stan
 
Unless someone is carrying a fairly old revolver, or pistol (semi auto), the chances of dropping one and it 'going off' are next to nothing. Even with those older guns, if carried properly, the hammer would fall on an empty chamber (revolvers), fall against a positive hammer block, or have to be physically taken off of safety to allow the hammer to drop.

I know the years the different mfgs began making their pistols with some of these safety feature will differ, but I know for a fact that one of them, the old S&W model 39's from back in the 60's and early 70's, had blocks that wouldn't allow the hammer to hit anything if dropped. In fact the 'safety' also served as a hammer drop to bring the hammer down safely from a cocked/SA position. That took me a bit of getting used to when I bought one of them as I was more used to 'thumbing' the hammer down, but when I saw how it worked I realized it was the safest thing you could do to decock it.

That said, if my wife drops her Glock or her .380 Colt Government, then she is obviously doing something wrong, just as I would be if mine somehow fell out of it's holster. Neither of us has been carrying but about 6 months, but I simply don't see that happening to us anymore than I do to any other responsible CC permit holder.
 
(quoted from post at 07:39:20 04/24/14) Or they're trying to do something in response to it.

I'm not sure how giving gang members more access to guns would ever result in less murders and accidental deaths of bystanders.

That saying of an armed society is a polite society is far from true.

Where do you get the idea that these laws are in any way, shape or form intended to give criminals more guns? Canada has extremely strict handgun laws as I'm sure you know Ken, and yet the Toronto news is full of handgun shootings. Winnpeg, Ottawa, Montreal. All have a lot of handgun crime. Handguns were used in 2/3 of all murders over the last 5 years according stats. Criminals don't obey the law. Allowing responsible, law abiding people to carry arms isn't a crime inducing action.
 
Gang members and criminals already have easy access to guns. They are also emboldened by the knowledge that no one else around is likely to to be armed.

ARM and TRAIN the innocent bystanders and watch the # of shootings decrease. Mr. gang banger will think twice if he's wondering who else has a gun he doesn't know about.

Pull that crap in Texas and you will get shot. There is a stark difference in # shootings between the cities with with prohibition of guns,more shootings, vs those that respect the 2nd amendment.

We're armed to the teeth, and ARE a very polite society here.
 
Or not doing anything is an option -
just watch the carnage spill out of the evening boob tube to create a public outcry.

Pincher strategy - pressure from above and pressure from below to enact new laws, treaties etc. to save us from ourselves.
 
I live in Georgia and have only one person carrying a pistol. She was a good 350 driving a electric cart in Walmart. A sight to behold
 

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