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Bret4207

01-09-2014 18:09:23
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A 38 SPECIAL in a 357 Mag chamber is fine. A 357 Mag in a 38 LONG COLT is bad news. The 38 Long Colt is what replaced the 45 Colt SAA in the late 1880's. It was in a first generation Colt DA revolver with the swing out cylinder. The cartridge was a black powder number firing a 150 gr bullet at about 750 fps. No heat treated cylinder, not up to 38 Special standards even. But the cylinder was bored straight through because of the heel type bullet, it was the same diameter as the case IOW, and a 357 will slide right into a lot of them. Pull the trigger and theres a good chance your new nick name will be "Stubby" on account of your missing fingers!

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 Re: guns are tools in reply to Bret4207, 01-09-2014 18:09:23  
The older .38 long colts get .38 hollow based wadcutter light target loads at some demonstrations, some use the "Cowboy" loads with cut down .38 case and the old heeled bullet. The 125 grain hollow point .357 is the load that I the dangerous one in the older police positives chambered for the .38 long colt- it will fit into cylinder and let cylinder rotate and fire while the "standard" .357 with the 158 grain roundnose will stick out of front of cylinder and not let cylinder turn. .38 special with the 125 grain +P is another dangerous load in those. "Iffy" other load for the old .38 S&W is the 9mm rimmed made for the revolver chamber for it and using half moon clips as alternate on the rimless/undercut extractor groove. S&W Top break/Chiefs special is possible at risk, the old Enfield service revolver not considered at risk because 9m rimmed bullet is .010+ under bore size and just lightly rides the lands when fired in nominal .365/8 bore. S&W has nominal .363/5- a slight difference- and a shorter forcing cone in barrel, slightly shorter cylinder than the 38/200 Enfield chamber. The danger is the 9x19R cartridge loaded to NATO spec instead of SAAMI.

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The 9mm Rimmed was also known as the 9mm Federal. Came out int he early 80's IIRC to fill a need that didn't exist. 38 Special, 38 Long/Short Colt, 38 New Police/38 S+W are all different. A lot of people have problems with this.



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