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Re: dc stick welding

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Stan in Oly, WA

12-25-2013 22:05:45
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Dave,

Actually, Puddles did a break test that included 7018 which had been kept in a rod oven, which he called "hot", and 7018 which had been in an open container in his shop for a long time, never in a rod oven, which he called "cold". I've copied and pasted it here from the folder I keep of interesting welding related topics from this forum. It was in response to something I had asked him, but I can't remember what it was.

Author: Puddles 11-30-2012 10:06:04
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Stan I'm sure you realize this is in no way a very scientific test! But in a small way it does show the impact quality of each rod / wire.

6013 = 3-blows

6011 = 8-blows

7014 = 10-blows

6010 5P-Plus = 10-blows

7018 (cold) = 18-blows

7018 (hot) = 23- blows

L-56 Mig wire = 29-blows

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jon f mn

12-26-2013 11:32:33
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 Re: dc stick welding in reply to Stan in Oly, WA, 12-25-2013 22:05:45  
The problem with that test is it doesn't show which rod is strong enough to do the job. The test shows what anyone who has done any welding at all or took the time to look up on line already knows. What it doesn't show is a test that resembles anything in real life. I have never seen any manufacturer weld 2 pieces of steel in a T shape on one side only, knowing that that piece would then be subjected to stress from the back side, much less hammer blows. A realistic and useful test would have been to weld the T on both sides as would be done in real life then try to break the welds by bending the metal to see if the welds failed. That would tell you which rod was adequate for the job. Don't forget that even the hated 6013 rod is 60,000lb strength and most of the steel that people on this forum are using is in the 40-50,000lb range. And Puddles and Lanse did not get run off, they left because they could not be the know everything people they wanted to be so they took their balls and went home. Noone knows everything about any subject. Puddles was very knowledgeable about welding, but was at best average when it came to making repairs and knew very little about trailer building which is where he took exception to me having more knowledge than him. It's too bad too because all he had to do was let the others be the experts at what they were good at and he could be the expert at what he was good at, sadly that wasn't enough for him.

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Stan in Oly, WA

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 Re: dc stick welding in reply to jon f mn, 12-26-2013 11:32:33  
You're here, he's not, you're badmouthing him. Do you imagine that makes you seem the better man?



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jon f mn

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 Re: dc stick welding in reply to Stan in Oly, WA, 12-26-2013 17:16:45  
I never claimed to be a better man, it was puddles who thought he was better in all ways. As I've said many times, too bad he couldn't be happy with being an expert at what he was an expert at and let the rest of us be experts at what we are experts at. Your comment is a perfect example of how you and others are just as responsible for his leaving as he is or I am or anyone else. You create an environment where he is such a star that no one can have an alternative opinion because it gets swatted down hard and fast. You brought up the test, I just pointed out it was flawed so the unknowing won't use it and make a mistake. If that is not allowed then this truly is a useless forum.

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