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Re: environmental concerns again

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MSM

09-29-2013 14:41:06
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7+ billion people on a planet that could possibly sustain long term half of that number, all with or wanting the cars, trucks, cell phones and everything else that goes along with life these days




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buickanddeere

09-29-2013 17:12:19
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 Re: environmental concerns again in reply to MSM, 09-29-2013 14:41:06  
Are you willing to have half of your friends, family, co-workers, neighbours "eliminated" to save the world.



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JMOR

09-29-2013 17:23:08
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 Re: environmental concerns again in reply to buickanddeere, 09-29-2013 17:12:19  
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An exhaustive United Nations report that claimed with 95% certainty that humans are responsible for global warming left out data that found the planet has stopped warming over the last 15 years, because it did not fit with the climate change agenda it wanted to advance.
The report, produced by the U.N.'s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), could not explain "why the planet has largely stopped warming over the past 15 years." So it just ignored it. According to the climate data from the U.K.'s weather-watching Met Office, "global surface temperatures rose rapidly during the 70s," but they have "have been relatively flat over the past decade and a half, rising only 0.05 degrees Celsius (0.09 degrees Fahrenheit)."

In September, a draft of the U.N. report simply could not explain why the surface temperatures have not warmed.

“Due to natural variability, trends based on short records are very sensitive to the beginning and end dates and do not in general reflect long-term climate trends,” the report now reads. "There may also be ... an overestimate of the response to increasing greenhouse gas and other anthropogenic forcing."

Judith Curry, professor and chair of the School of Earth and Atmospheric Sciences at the Georgia Institute of Technology, said if the "if the pause continues beyond 15 years (well it already has), they are toast.”

There have been many reports that have shown how climate models have vastly overestimated "warming." For instance, a study in the journal Nature Climate Change "compared 117 climate predictions made in the 1990's to the actual amount of warming" and 114 of those predictions overestimated the amount of warming. Other studies have found that various climate models used by the United Nations have "forecasted two times more global warming than actually occurred."
As Breitbart News reported, a group of 50 international scientists released a comprehensive new report, which cited thousands of peer-reviewed articles the United Nations-sponsored panel on climate change ignored, "concluded that evidence now leans against global warming resulting from human-related greenhouse gas emissions."

Top MIT scientist: Newest UN climate report is ‘hilariously’ flawed

1:27 PM 09/29/2013



Not all scientists are panicking about global warming — one of them finds the alarmism “hilarious.”

A top climate scientist from the Massachusetts Institute of Technology lambasted a new report by the UN’s climate bureaucracy that blamed mankind as the main cause of global warming and whitewashed the fact that there has been a hiatus in warming for the last 15 years.

“I think that the latest IPCC report has truly sunk to level of hilarious incoherence,” Dr. Richard Lindzen told Climate Depot, a global warming skeptic news site. “They are proclaiming increased confidence in their models as the discrepancies between their models and observations increase.”

The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change claimed it was 95 percent sure that global warming was mainly driven by human burning of fossil fuels that produce greenhouse gases. The I.P.C.C. also glossed over the fact that the Earth has not warmed in the past 15 years, arguing that the heat was absorbed by the ocean.

“Their excuse for the absence of warming over the past 17 years is that the heat is hiding in the deep ocean,” Lindzen added. “However, this is simply an admission that the models fail to simulate the exchanges of heat between the surface layers and the deeper oceans.”

“However, it is this heat transport that plays a major role in natural internal variability of climate, and the IPCC assertions that observed warming can be attributed to man depend crucially on their assertion that these models accurately simulate natural internal variability,” Lindzen continued. “Thus, they now, somewhat obscurely, admit that their crucial assumption was totally unjustified.”

Scientists have been struggling to explain the 15-year hiatus in global warming, and governments have been urging them to whitewash the fact that temperatures have not been rising because such data would impact the upcoming climate negotiations in 2015.

The Associated Press obtained documents that show the Obama administration and some European governments pressured UN climate scientists to downplay or even omit data that shows the world hasn’t warmed in over a decade.

“Germany called for the reference to the slowdown to be deleted, saying a time span of 10-15 years was misleading in the context of climate change, which is measured over decades and centuries,” the AP report said. “The U.S. also urged the authors to include the ‘leading hypothesis’ that the reduction in warming is linked to more heat being transferred to the deep ocean.”

Global warming skeptics have exploited such data to show that the science behind manmade global warming is faulty and politically driven.

“[I]n attributing warming to man, they fail to point out that the warming has been small, and totally consistent with there being nothing to be alarmed about,” Lindzen said. “It is quite amazing to see the contortions the IPCC has to go through in order to keep the international climate agenda going.”

However, believers in catastrophic global warming have said the UN report should serve as a wake-up call to those who would deny the issue’s urgency.

“Those who deny the science or choose excuses over action are playing with fire,” said Secretary of State John Kerry. “Once again, the science grows clearer, the case grows more compelling and the costs of inaction grow beyond anything that anyone with conscience or common sense should be willing to even contemplate.”

The UN is set to release its full assessment of the world’s climate on Monday.

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varmint

10-14-2013 23:21:00
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 Re: environmental concerns again in reply to JMOR, 09-29-2013 17:23:08  
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the UN ain't got nothing to say that any body should listen too they ain'nt never done nuthing but run there mouth any way



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T in NE

10-08-2013 21:17:56
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 Re: environmental concerns again in reply to JMOR, 09-29-2013 17:23:08  
They omitted the last 16 years of no global warming because it isn't predicted by any of their climate models. If their climate models can't come to today's conditions by putting in conditions from the past, there must be an inherent flaw in the information put into the model.



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Bret4207

10-09-2013 04:12:38
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 Re: environmental concerns again in reply to T in NE, 10-08-2013 21:17:56  
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Actually what happens when information like that is presented and they are asked to defend their position is, they resort to saying things like, "You're too stupid to understand." and "Global cooling is part of global warming!"
In the initial IPCC report in the first few pages there was a statement that said more or less that any data refuting the global warming theory found within the report was to be ignored. I forget just how they worded it, but it was a baffling statement to discover.

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Bill Radford

09-30-2013 06:50:33
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 Re: environmental concerns again in reply to JMOR, 09-29-2013 17:23:08  
Its clear to see that the whole "global warming" issue is a crock and that the ALGORE crowd stood to make a lot of $ on green energy and cap and trade schemes.
I think that its funny as he$$ that their house of lies is collapsing, along with the reputation of the frauds currently in washington.
JMOR: you positively ROCK!!!!
Great post!



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Bret4207

09-30-2013 04:47:27
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 Re: environmental concerns again in reply to JMOR, 09-29-2013 17:23:08  
"Scientists have been struggling to explain the 15-year hiatus in global warming, and governments have been urging them to whitewash the fact that temperatures have not been rising because such data would impact the upcoming climate negotiations in 2015.

The Associated Press obtained documents that show the Obama administration and some European governments pressured UN climate scientists to downplay or even omit data that shows the world hasn’t warmed in over a decade. "

Once things like that are show, the rest of the report is suspect.

One other thing I'd mention- The answers given often include things like electric cars. "You just plug them in instead of burning fossil fuels!" Yet, the vast majority of power produced in this nation that provides the power to "plug it in" is produced from fossil fuels! Like the people who won't kill their own meat but buy it from the supermarket somehow thinking it's magically produced in the back of the store somehow, the logic is lacking!
This post was edited by Bret4207 at 04:55:12 09/30/13.

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Dean

09-29-2013 19:32:03
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 Re: environmental concerns again in reply to JMOR, 09-29-2013 17:23:08  
As I stated in the earlier thread, the environmental movement is little more than an ancient pagan religion recently revitalized by proven fraud Rachael Carson.

This, of course explains much as religious zealots are rarely influenced by facts.

Dean



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TomH in PA

09-29-2013 15:27:33
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 Re: environmental concerns again in reply to MSM, 09-29-2013 14:41:06  
Over population is the real problem. Pollution, emissions, natural resource shortages, etc. are just side effects.



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