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Re: steel entry doors with steel casement?

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Wile E

09-29-2013 12:15:16

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The problem with a "swing out door" is that it can be pryed open with a crowbar. Many years ago on a TV show I saw a special deadbolt that went the entire width of the door with a latch in the center. And the latch would engage this large long deadbolt in and out of a set of U brackets. The long deadbolt ran from the hinge side to the open side of the door. I have never seen these for sale anywhere.

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10-01-2013 01:02:06

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 Re: steel entry doors with steel casement? in reply to Wile E, 09-29-2013 12:15:16  
We call these "dievenklauwen".
Commercially available; easy to install.
HTH, Hendrik, from The Netherlands

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Stick welding

09-29-2013 21:36:19

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 Re: steel entry doors with steel casement? in reply to Wile E, 09-29-2013 12:15:16  
Talk to RB. The next time he demo's a bank, get the door to the safe. Just realize that you'll have to re-engineer your entire house to be able to support the door. If a thief wants in bad enough, they'll get in. Doesn't have to be through the front door or any door for that matter.

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09-29-2013 13:05:47

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 Re: steel entry doors with steel casement? in reply to Wile E, 09-29-2013 12:15:16  
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It sounds like you want not only a commercial quality door, but one that is far higher security than anything that is standard even on the commercial level. There is nothing wrong with that mind you, its just it limits your options because its rare. Rare equals not alot of people sell what you are looking for.

What you want can be built though. As for the pry bar part, it would be very difficult and time consuming to pry an out swinging door open, even using common quality parts. Just try it, it aint easy. Heck, just pulling a concrete filled door frame out (using a chop saw to cut each side) takes a good 20 minutes. You are not going to open the door in less time than that, well I take that back, you can if you have a jaws-of-life. If a bad guy comes with a jaws-of-life and you are not home to stop him, he is in anyway. But thats all unlikely because there are much easier ways into your home, most notibly is just driving a hole in it with a car.

In any case, if you are shooting for a dead bolt that throws both ways in a heavy frame, your best bet would be to custom make one. You can get inspiration from the various survivial websites out there as well as how safes are built with multiple bolts. Some of survival guys build cobbled up messes but there are some real builders out there as well. Here is one website I have seen some cool things, Im sure there are others.

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Stick welding

09-29-2013 21:38:34

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 Re: steel entry doors with steel casement? in reply to Rich_WI, 09-29-2013 13:05:47  
He needs a door like Maxwell Smarts with multiple locks on both sides that opens opposite of what you think.

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dr sportster

09-29-2013 12:19:05

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 Re: steel entry doors with steel casement? in reply to Wile E, 09-29-2013 12:15:16  
These days there are portable sawzalls ,porta band saws . carbide blades . Almost any door can be entered if enougfh force is used. Confuscious say Man who collect many valuables should not be mad when valuables are stolen --somethin' like that.

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09-30-2013 07:00:26

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 Re: steel entry doors with steel casement? in reply to dr sportster, 09-29-2013 12:19:05  
Some crooks have cut through wood framed garage walls next to a door rather than mess with with a security door.

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George Marsh

09-30-2013 18:14:44

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 Re: steel entry doors with steel casement? in reply to ss55, 09-30-2013 07:00:26  
Windows are easier than cutting through a wall.

It's harder to kick a door in if the door swings outward.

People need to see just how easy it is to break off a dead bolt.

The only thing any security door do is give you a warm and fuzzy feeling.

A pitbull on the other side of the door work best.

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