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Re: Railroad Ties

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John in La

04-27-2013 14:09:33

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I have used old RR ties for corner post in the past. They worked well for me in my wet clay. But this was years ago so I know nothing about the newer ties they use today.

In fact ever since they made the creosote wood treating plant about 5 miles from my house a super fund cleanup site and had to incinerate 20 acres of land the state has really cracked down on the use of creosote.
For me since it is listed on the restricted use pesticide list I just as soon find something else to use so my kids do not have disposal problems later. Right now the local landfill will not take them and you are not supposed to burn them.
But its your land and kids so do as you feel best.

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The Agency considered the potential risks to public health posed by Creosote (and the other heavy duty wood preservatives) along with the benefits resulting from their use. As a result of this evaluation, the Agency determined that the use of creosote as a wood preservative chemical met the statutory standard for registration provided that certain risk mitigation measures were implemented. These modifications required that Creosote be classified as restricted use pesticide, workers were required to use certain protection/protective clothing and equipment and Creosote use was restricted to non-residential use sites. These mitigation measures are noted in the Federal Register January 13, 1986 (Vol.51, No. 7).

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Chris Jones

04-28-2013 18:17:23

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 Re: Railroad Ties in reply to John in La, 04-27-2013 14:09:33  
And yet Lowes and Home Depot are allowed to sell them for residential use.

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Retired Farmer

04-27-2013 19:13:43

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 Re: Railroad Ties in reply to John in La, 04-27-2013 14:09:33  
Funny how they worry about that stuff but the pollution from automobiles and airplanes don't seem to bother them.

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John in La

04-27-2013 21:51:26

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 Re: Railroad Ties in reply to Retired Farmer, 04-27-2013 19:13:43  
I would say they are worried about car pollution. Its the reason for all the computer controlled stuff on a car gas engine; or the use of DEF with a diesel engine.
Just like creosote they weighed the benefit against the risk. We can not do with out cars or trucks or planes until we come up with something better. So they tried minimizing the pollution end.

With creosote there is no way to reduce the pollution end and the benefit is greater than just doing away with it totaly. So they just regulate who can use it now to try and cut the risk to the public down.

Creosote is just like many of the spray chemicals farmers use. The benefit out weighs the risk for many of these chemicals but on the other hand you do not want every home owner to have access to them. They are safe when rules are followed but it is just eaiser to limit who can buy said chemicals than to train every soul on earth how the use them.

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