Guns, but no ammo

BIG RUH

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Local Rural King store has started to sell hand guns, rifles and shotguns. The only ammo they have is shot gun shells. When I buy a new gun I always buy some ammo for it.
 
explain to me why the government is buying so much hollow point ammo? per the Geneva convention that ammo can not be used abroad. it can only be used on our own soil. so with that what are they really trying to do??? or prepare for?
 
Pretty effective way to implement gun control. And get around the second amendment. You can buy all the guns you wa t but what good ate they without ammo?

Gene
 
There were rumors going around years ago that if they could get the guns that they would go after the ammo. At that time the thought was ammo would be priced so far out of reach that you couldn't afford it.
 
Based on what I've seen at the last few gun shows the ammo stocks are coming back and the cost is coming back down for most of the more common calibers. Unfortunately for the .22 LR, it seems it's going to take a little longer. That said a month ot two ago .223, 5.56, 7.62X39, 9MM, etc were all gone within the first hour of a the gun shows around here opening their doors. Last weekend we went to the C&E in Concord and by the end of the first day you could hardly tell a dent had been made in the cases of ammo the largest dealer had sitting there. Personally I shoot the 7.63x39 and for a thousand rounds the price had dropped back down to $375 vs the $500 plus it has been a month of so back. Price wise I can't complain at $375 since the last time I bought a fell case was like $325 for 1100 rounds, and that was nearly 5 years ago. All I lack now is finding a nice Mosin Nagant in 7.62x54R. Even when the pricing on everything else went through the roof you could still buy those rounds relatively cheap because there is just so much old military surplus available for them.
 
In Kansas everything but shotgun shells are in short supply or unavailable. Local gun show had 350 round packs of .22 ammo for $65 and up for decent ammo. .223 ammo was priced at $1 per round (brass cased). Steel cased .223 was $0.65 a round. Most of that was cleaned up at the end of first day.

In my area .22 LR has been short for the last 2-3 years. It was usually available but no one was selling bricks and purchases were limited in quantity. Now there just isn't any. Walmart hasn't had a box on their shelves since the beginning of December. They might have .300 Savage or 30/30 once in the while but never more than a box or two. They haven't had box of .380 on the shelf (that I've seen) since external_link became president.
 
My local Orchenlens sells ammo but no guns. In some ways on a safety factor note having guns and no ammo makes a store a tad bit safer since a person can steal a gun but if he can not get ammo at the same time that gun is nothing but a big club
 
I could almost buy the prepper theory, except, I keep reading about all the ammo Homeland Security is buying.
 
Full jacket bullets are a old "military" requirement from about WW1 or a bit earlier, Hague/geneva conventions. prior to the wide use of smokeless powder, lead roundnose or sometimes flat point bullets were normal- 1870s last black powder rifles with tube mags had cup point, flat point bullets and the gilding metal jackets came when higher velocities of smokeless powder, small bore stripped lead instead of proper grip and spin. Civilian use of lead, cup points, flat points remained and half jackets with closed base became civilian standard while military standard became metal point close with open base. Military though is small deep wound is more "humane" than big ripping tear that kills--the resulting wounded combatant requires 1 or 2 of companions to take care of him awhile, transport back to aid station where another 1 or 2 people needed to take care of him- military math- a dead enemy reduces enemy strength by one, a wounded enemy reduces strength by 3. Hollow points expand and don"t richocet when hitting other than body- the police worry about law suits from innocent bystanders injuries- and a full penetration that hits innocent party behind target means large settlement- this goes in one California case to the police restricted to anti-ricochet rounds in the high velocity 9mm auto pistols that replaced the older .38 revolvers. The civilian police standard and self defense load standard is a half jacket cup point/hollow point that will dump energy into body, won"t "overpenetrate" to cause unintended damage if missed target and hits house wall, won"t penetrate police heavy assualt vest if "friendly fired"- this for the common pistol rounds. rifle rounds? .223/5.56 Nato is whatever handy for specified use- car stopper duty gets military SS109 60 plus grain heavy jacket, counter sniper, bank robber stopper gets the old 52/55 civilian varmit load that will shatter on walls if miss target, will dump 500/600 pounds energy into body at 200 meters and won"t exit torso- if hits arm or leg the rapid expansion aft 2 inch penetration means likely partial disabled and exiting bullet with reduced velocity and mass won"t be as great danger to innocent party 50 meters behind target. Homeland security buying lots of hollowpoint pistol ammo??? The type bought is a standard use defense load, the quantity?? may have political IMPLICATIONS, MAY HAVE SIMPLE MARKET COST PER UNIT ADVANTAGE IN LARGE QUANTITY. Does make for some amusing posts about how much people trust certain agencies with large amounts of ammo. RN
 
I picked up a mosin nagent years back when they first started importing them. It was new in the cosmolene. I should of left it wrapped up,but I just love cleaning them up and admiring them.Beautiful well made gun.excellant blueing job on them too.
 
Interesting essay but law enforcement officers do not carry firearms for self defense.

It might work out that way but the firearm is one of the 'bag' of tool to enforce lawful orders.

In addition the stated porpose for the billion rounds of hollowpoint was for training and qualifying. Ask your friendly neighborhood range officer what happens to target boards when hollowpoints are used.

Also Homeland Security just bought 2700 armored personnell carriers. I told my wife years ago that when you saw American Tanks on American streets we were in big trouble.

Respectfully,

Brad
 
(quoted from post at 21:04:13 03/27/13) Interesting essay but law enforcement officers do not carry firearms for self defense.

It might work out that way but the firearm is one of the 'bag' of tool to enforce lawful orders.

In addition the stated porpose for the billion rounds of hollowpoint was for training and qualifying. Ask your friendly neighborhood range officer what happens to target boards when hollowpoints are used.

Also Homeland Security just bought 2700 armored personnell carriers. I told my wife years ago that when you saw American Tanks on American streets we were in big trouble.

Respectfully,

Brad

Here's a link on the DHS activities.


http://www.snopes.com/politics/guns/ssabullets.asp
 
I was at an auction just yesterday and 2 partial boxes of 22"s sold for $30. This wasn"t the bricks just the small boxes. I couldn"t believe it.
 
The mass hysteria is still running wild, and will continue as long as the government keeps talking about "new gun legislation."
 
target boards get chewed up a lot. One newer policy is target qualifying with duty rounds instead of reduced power target rounds- on the current self loading pistols reduced power sometimes means failure to feed hangups--that wasn't a problm with .357/.38 rvolvers using wadcutters for "light" practice. I tried a target load in old .45 auto and had many failure to extract/feed failures so when done with the 100 rounds just went back to cheapest hardball surplus and standard Federal softpoint 3/4 jackets- at the time the 225 grain hollowpoints were having some feed problems with the Cook County sherrifs deputies that tried to use it- needed a good ramp polish at least. Duty rounds that may have problem best used at range to see if they work is another policy- and get the shooter used to duty round flash and recoil. I used to use .44 Special loads in .44 Ruger for most shooting just because of wrist flinch, sore hands. .357 standard load is OK, the +Ps may have their uses but for most use the racoons in chicken house don"t know the difference- I may have some old full metal jackets laying around, the old policy was a speed loader of car penetrators in pocket for road block duty and deputy I road with was generous with leftovers after the switch to the 9mms and .45s.
 
Cabela's had some CCI, not the mini MAg, in the Mitchell store today for 8.99 a 100 rd box. Limit one box. I passed.
I have one brick of the old WW Winchester in the yellow boxes from the 70's. It is .22Long, and none of my semi autos will work with it?
 

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