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Re: Battery ?

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George Marsh

03-25-2013 12:25:41

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never heard of one. Googled it and here is what I found.

Super-capacitor cranking system designed as an auxiliary power source to be installed in parallel with a vehicle's cranking batteries, providing consistent starting ...

So, it looks like you may still need a battery.

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03-26-2013 07:15:53

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 Re: Battery ? in reply to George Marsh, 03-25-2013 12:25:41  
Hello George Marsh,

The capacitor system is used in conjunction with the battery system. The system is wired parallel and it is equal to 4 group 31 batteies. It will recharge in about 30 seconds.
One group 31 battery is rated at 625 CCA


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03-30-2013 17:29:06

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 Re: Battery ? in reply to GUIDO, 03-26-2013 07:15:53  
You must be finding some pretty cheap group 31 batteries to only get 625 CCA.

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George Marsh

03-26-2013 09:53:22

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 Re: Battery ? in reply to GUIDO, 03-26-2013 07:15:53  
Guido, I'm familar with capacitors. I even had a capacitor with a voltage regulator wired in my old 1965 Triumph 650 motorcycle. I could flip a switch, kick it, only had a kick starter. The generator would charge up the capacitor enough to run the bike without a battery. Had to run it fast if the headlight was on or it would die.

That said, If you have a capacitor wired in paralled with a dead battery, the capacitor will discharge in to the dead battery.

I couldn't have my capacitor in parallel with the battery. It had to have a seperate circuit.

So, one would have to charge up the capacitor, then remove it from the battery circuit, connect the capacitor to the starter, without a dead battery in parallel with it. I question how long it could crank the engine too.

Not going to buy one.

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03-26-2013 12:54:08

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 Re: Battery ? in reply to George Marsh, 03-26-2013 09:53:22  

Hello George Marsh,

I was thinking of you when i posted the thing. I won't buy one either, but is a technology that works. I believe they cover from 7 to 19 liter displacement engines. I too have some limited knowledge of capacitors. The box I made for RC racing had a 12V output for battery charging. While many people were using the same 120V source the voltage went down. My fix was a set of 3 Caps at the output end of the power supply. That brought the voltage to 15V DC. I switched it on as needed. If you look real close you'll see them at the left lower corner of the box, a set of 3 caps. Don't ask me the size, its been too long! Check out the cooling fan. The box was originally an alarm system, another recycled part.


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George Marsh

03-26-2013 13:59:06

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 Re: Battery ? in reply to GUIDO, 03-26-2013 12:54:08  
Guido, A life time ago, my hobby was electronics. I built voltmeters, scopes, radio, color TV, most of which have a power supply of some kind. Back in the day, people repaired TV's. Today you can't get parts cheap enough to repair most electronic devices. Not to mention even if you could, you couldn't solder them to the printed circuits.

As a kid I helped my dad built 3 phase converts. Some converters were static, capacitors only and some converters were dynamic, using capacitors and a second 3 phase motor.

My dad also a heating and air mechanic. Learned a lot growing up on the farm. Learned I didn't want to milk cows for the rest of my life.

Been retired 9 years and I still find it handy to know something about how things are made, how they work, especially electronics.

I have a life time collection of used diodes, capacitors, resistors, relays, switches, a real pack-rat. George

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03-26-2013 15:09:28

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 Re: Battery ? in reply to George Marsh, 03-26-2013 13:59:06  
Hello George Marsh,

You have a lot more diverse experience in the electronic field then I do. I mainly learned by doing. As I stated many times, a lot of smoke got out many many times. I do have a question for you though. Is there a place i can send my Simpson 260 for refurbishing? I guess they still make them?. Mine needs a good calibration and new leads. The movement maybe bad, it won't zero on the bench. I had a resistor issue awhile back but that was resolved. I do have many used diodes capacitors and resistors. Zener diodes,555 timers, chips, power mosfet transistors. All collected through the years as well. I do have a TV repair by Art Margolis I think maybe 1969. I used to go to Radio Shack or 7 11 test tubes. Now I'm showing my age! Heath kit Co. ring a bell?

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George Marsh

03-27-2013 05:13:35

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 Re: Battery ? in reply to GUIDO, 03-26-2013 15:09:28  
Yes, Heath Kit, Radio shack. Simpson 260 series 2, had one, very expensive and state or the art in the day. No idea where to get one repaired. I think I've heard JohnT mention using one, he may know.

I have many free digital HF VOM's. They are throw away meters. Accuracy is not a big concern. Connect a Simpson 260 to 220 volts while on the ohm scale and you just fried it. Today's digitals are a little more forgiving. I do carry an old analog RS VOM in the turck, just in case I think the digital is messing up, which in cold temps, the digitals will tend to mess up.

During my college days, I worked at USNAD Crane in the calibration lab. We made sure all electronic equipment was accurate. That was many moons ago.

My fingers are getting to old to put in electric services, so I hire an electrican friend to bend the big wires for me. I getting to a point in life where I'll be the supervisor, and watch someone do what I used to do.

My idea of fun is tractor theropy.

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