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Re: 3 way switch

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dr sportster

02-27-2013 18:37:51
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It would be very unusual for a 3way to control a receptacle.[except a bedroom with two doors ] It would be very unusual for a sp switch to control any receptacle that is not in a location where a lamp would be plugged in. If this receptacle in your post is in a hallway it is probably not switch controlled as it would be for a vacuum. If the red wire you are calling a carrier is in fact a traveler of the 3 way switches something is wired wrong .Yes not all point screws will be located the same between different manufacturers but if you follow my instruction below you will not have any problem just changing out a bad three way.Copper or black is point brass color are for traveler wires and can go either screw.
Since you have not added any info thats all I got.

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JMOR

02-27-2013 18:50:19
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 Re: 3 way switch in reply to dr sportster, 02-27-2013 18:37:51  
Quoting Removed, click Modern View to seeGeneralizing always gets one in trouble. My bedroom has one door & 4-way switches controlling the wall plugs at nite tables, either side of bed. One by the door, one on her side of bed, one on my side of bed. Front window has 3-way for table lamp in front of window. That one is split, one socket switched, one always hot. Great for Christmas tree!

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dr sportster

02-27-2013 19:10:35
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 Re: 3 way switch in reply to JMOR, 02-27-2013 18:50:19  
You might have a newer home. My mind is thinking of typical 1960s wiring. But yes I agree -good post. The original poster never added any info .In a new home now your set-up would be quite common I think. Why lean way out of bed to a lamp switch when you can flick right next to the bed? [I think I have done that on a job]I really havent done any residential wiring for some time as I work as a high voltage splicer. Somewhere around here I have an electrical contractors license but no longer take NEC update courses as required if you are in business. Getting my license was a way to make me study the codebook.I have beat the subject of grounding to death and the requirment was 34 hours of classes every three years. There is not that much to talk about .
Doctors and pharmacists have less hours .

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Don Anderson

02-28-2013 05:54:06
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 Re: 3 way switch in reply to dr sportster, 02-27-2013 19:10:35  
I did some more checking last night with a little gizmo call a "switch wizzard. I turned off the power to the circuit that powers the switches and the outlet, which is for a lamp at one of the front windows in the living room. With the three wires connected together at one switch I connected the three clips to the three wires at the other switch and checked to see which wire would be the carrier wire which should be connected to the black terminal on the leviton switch. I then switched the clips to other wires at the switch and it showed another wire would be the carrier so apparently when the house was wired eight years ago something is not wired correctly. Idea was that I could either come in the front door or the door from the garage into the living room and turn on a lamp to be able to see but it has never worked. Maybe I can make some long leads and use the ohm function on the meter to figure out which wire is which.

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dr sportster

02-28-2013 11:10:20
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 Re: 3 way switch in reply to Don Anderson, 02-28-2013 05:54:06  
Sometimes when an numnut helper takes apart a three way set up in an old building without noting the point wire you can ring it out by leaving that circuit off and using an extension cord to "hot up" each wire individually and see where power is coming in at the other box.Then a few color marking tapes to learn how to put it all back together working right.



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Don Anderson

03-01-2013 07:26:00
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 Re: 3 way switch in reply to dr sportster, 02-28-2013 11:10:20  
That sounds like that might work for me. Thanks for the idea.



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JMOR

02-28-2013 07:24:24
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 Re: 3 way switch in reply to Don Anderson, 02-28-2013 05:54:06  

Don Anderson said: (quoted from post at 09:54:06 02/28/13) I did some more checking last night with a little gizmo call a "switch wizzard. I turned off the power to the circuit that powers the switches and the outlet, which is for a lamp at one of the front windows in the living room. With the three wires connected together at one switch I connected the three clips to the three wires at the other switch and checked to see which wire would be the carrier wire which should be connected to the black terminal on the leviton switch. I then switched the clips to other wires at the switch and it showed another wire would be the carrier so apparently when the house was wired eight years ago something is not wired correctly. Idea was that I could either come in the front door or the door from the garage into the living room and turn on a lamp to be able to see but it has never worked. Maybe I can make some long leads and use the ohm function on the meter to figure out which wire is which.
Switch wizzaed instructions that I saw on the net look OK for a switch box that has ONLY 3 wires in it, but yours probably has more, as evidenced by , " I then switched the clips to other wires at the switch and ". More than 3?

There are several variations in connections that accomplish the same end result. Take a look:

https://www.google.com/search?q=3+way+switch+circuits+variations&hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=qTR&sa=X&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&ei=13cvUZOVKOnV2QXE-4DoBg&ved=0CDIQsAQ&biw=847&bih=460
This post was edited by JMOR at 07:32:44 02/28/13.

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Don Anderson

03-01-2013 07:35:08
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 Re: 3 way switch in reply to JMOR, 02-28-2013 07:24:24  
When I said I switched the clips to other wires I meant that I switched the three clips to the wires in a different order. There are only three wires connected to the switch plus the bare wire. sorry about the confusion.



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JMOR

02-27-2013 20:13:39
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 Re: 3 way switch in reply to dr sportster, 02-27-2013 19:10:35  
Quoting Removed, click Modern View to see"I have beat the subject of grounding to death and"...........I know the feeling!!! Peace.



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