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Re: OT: 30-06 Options

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old

02-17-2013 11:00:19
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If you have an New England arms shot gun you can buy a 30/06 barrel for it plus many other barrels in many sizes




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RayP(MI)

02-17-2013 13:42:32
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 Re: OT: 30-06 Options in reply to old, 02-17-2013 11:00:19  
OK guys, let"s cut to the chase... H&R firearms does offer repalcement barrels for some of their firearms. Problem is which receiver you have. Shotgun receivers are different from their rifle receivers. They are not interchangable. Some of the rifle receivers are not eligible for transplants, either. Check their website for further details: http://www.hr1871.com/support/accessoryprogram.asp

(I have access to several H&Rs and am pleased with them, fun to shoot, more accurate than they ought to be.)

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old

02-17-2013 14:11:39
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 Re: OT: 30-06 Options in reply to RayP(MI), 02-17-2013 13:42:32  
All I can go by and have been doing so is the info that came with the 2 New England arms shot guns we have and both came with info as to buying rifle barrels as does the NRA guide book I have. Yes there may be different receivers that I do not know I just know what came with the ones I own and both have been in this house for 15 plus years and even the NRA book I have is cope write 1993. A lot of thing change in 20 years guys and what was then may not be now

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Rich_WI

02-17-2013 11:30:13
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 Re: OT: 30-06 Options in reply to old, 02-17-2013 11:00:19  
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Nope, shotguns are for shotgun barrels ONLY. Rifles generate higher pressure so they have a different reciever. If you have a rifle, you can have a shotgun barrel fitted to it but not the other way around.

Also, since Remington bought out New England Firearms, they required guns to be sent back to the factory to make sure headspace was correct and the barrel price went up. Its no longer affordable to add a new barrel to your H&R or NEF gun. That ended 2+ years ago IIRC. Now its cheaper and easier to just buy a new gun.

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Pete76NY

02-19-2013 01:55:05
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 Re: OT: 30-06 Options in reply to Rich_WI, 02-17-2013 11:30:13  
Actually ya both are kinda wrong and kinda right: the SB1 action is what the shotguns are...it can be matched to certain lower pressure rifle calibers; 45-70 being one and a few others, but not the high pressure rounds such as 30-06.
The SB2 is what you get when you buy a HP rifle caliber and can mate to virtually ANY barrel they offer including the shotgun barrels
It may be that Old"s guns since they are older had an action that was capable of handling the higher pressure rounds, I am not that familiar with their history. I do know that my Father owns several of the guns, each with a few different barrels, they are all excellent shooters...I really like the .22 Hornet!

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RGMartin

02-20-2013 04:03:49
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 Re: OT: 30-06 Options in reply to Pete76NY, 02-19-2013 01:55:05  
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They will not put any barrels on SB2(rifle) frames made after 2000, as they were made out of house they they have concerns over their integrity. They will put the 357 and 44 barrels on SB1(shotgun) frames as far back as 1987. I just inquired about one of my 1993 SB1 frames with H&R/NEF/Remington.

That said putting any high intensity rifle cartridge on a cast iron SB1 is like playing Russian roulette.
Call H&R/Remington, they will tell you exactly the same thing. 1-866-776-9292

http://www.hr1871.com/support/accessoryprogram.asp

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Rich_WI

02-19-2013 20:07:11
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 Re: OT: 30-06 Options in reply to Pete76NY, 02-19-2013 01:55:05  
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No Pete, Im not kinda wrong. Read the link I posted, its the manufactors website and its real clear. Old claimed he bought a shotgun.... well, thats a shotgun reciever and H&R wont put a rifle barrel on a shotgun reciever. H&R dont sell barrels to gunsmiths anymore, so Old cant get a rifle barrel that way either. You cant get a barrel over the counter... so no rifle barrel that way.

If Old's shotguns are older, he cant get any barrels for them. H&R wont put a barrel on any rifle reciever older than model year 2000. They wont put any shotgun barrel on anything older than 1987. The eliminates any thought that Olds shotguns are somehow older and could get a barrel that way.
I already clarified my statements about rifle barrels, I remembered that they did put a couple "rifle" barrels on shotgun frames. Problem is, those "rifle" barrels were chambered in pistol cartridges. Low pressure rounds and hardly close to what Old was claiming, which is adding a high pressure 30-06 barrel on a shotgun reciever.

Trust me though Pete, I am 100% positive that as I type this, Olds guns are undergoing a miraculous change and very soon, they will somehow become rifle recievers that were sold to Old as shotguns. :roll: Just wait and watch....

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old

02-17-2013 11:41:47
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 Re: OT: 30-06 Options in reply to Rich_WI, 02-17-2013 11:30:13  
Your wrong. When we got both our 20 gauge and the 410 it came with a list of barrels we could buy that fit right on to the stock area of them. So guess the company lists thing that are not but since I know better I will still say you can buy rifle barrels that fit the shot gun stock



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Rich_WI

02-17-2013 12:53:38
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 Re: OT: 30-06 Options in reply to old, 02-17-2013 11:41:47  
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No, you are wrong.... AGAIN. Shotgun recievers are for shotgun ONLY (although I think they MAY have put on some of the low power pistol calibers on them but certainly NOT 30-06). Rifle recievers can be fitted with shotgun barrels. Get it? 2 different recievers. Heck, if you want to get into talking H&R or NEF guns, we can talk about all the different recievers they made and what can go with what but for now we are talking putting a deadly rifle barrel (30-06) on a shotgun reciever. Thats just a pipe bomb waiting for a good spot to go off.

So, NO, you cant put a 30-06 barrel on a NEF shotgun.

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old

02-17-2013 13:08:10
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 Re: OT: 30-06 Options in reply to Rich_WI, 02-17-2013 12:53:38  
I have proof your wrong as per the NRA guide to Rifles and shotguns guns page 109 it flat out states the N.E.F Pardner Shotgun came in 10, 12, 16, 20, 28, and 410-bore Fitted with rifle barrels they became H&R single shot rifles. That is word for word right out of the book so eat your words I am 100% right and have the proof right here. Are they sold today I do not know but when I got my 410 tamer I was offered a 243 barrel with it and did not have the extra $$ to buy it

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Rich_WI

02-17-2013 13:34:15
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 Re: OT: 30-06 Options in reply to old, 02-17-2013 13:08:10  
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For 1) you didnt post any proof, you could have made anything up and said it was in your owners manual or where ever you are claiming you got your "proof". Scan it and post it up or provide a link. 2) any idiot knows that the NRA guide doesnt put in every detail in their book so any quote from the NRA guide would be invalid anyway. For my proof of that, does the NRA guide list all the different recievers that H&R/NEF makes and how they go together with the different barrels? Nope, proof that the NRA guide dont even touch the tip of the iceberg. 3) why wouldnt you just go to the source to see if Im right or not? Are you afraid you would be proven wrong? (I know the answer but Im throwing it out there anyway)

Here, let me answer #3 for you. http://lmgtfy.com/?q=new+england+firearms+accessory+barrel+program Its right in the first link, straight from the horses mouth. http://www.hr1871.com/support/accessoryprogram.asp I would think, if anybody would know what New England Firearms is doing and selling for their guns, it would be them, dont you think? Well there you have it, proof posative that you CANT just slap a 30-06 barrel on a shot gun reciever. Besides, who is going to sell you one? NEF wont sell just the barrel, theymake you send them in, just like I told you and like it printed on their web page. Its not cheap, just like I told you and the same thing is printed on thier web page. Doing that is making a pipe bomb but Im sure for liability reasons, they dont explain it the same way I do but if you call them on the 800 number they list, they will tell you its quite unsafe.

Bottom line, you [/size:9d93d4c12d]CANT[size=12:9d93d4c12d] put a 30-06 barrel on a shotgun reciever.

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old

02-17-2013 13:47:57
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 Re: OT: 30-06 Options in reply to Rich_WI, 02-17-2013 13:34:15  
Again note I do not know if they still sell them but when we got the 20 and 410 they did but that was many years ago as in over a decades and that was also when it was still New England arms. I do not care what they sell now I am just saying at one time they did. Wish I still had the papers that came with the 20 gauge because it did list a good 10 rifle barrels that you could buy at the time. But this has also gotten just plain stupid since the guy who asked also said he wanted the know about to odd ones and now days those that I am talking about maybe odd. I'll not see any thing if you answer this I am tired of this stupid none sense. I know what I know and the books I have say

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Rich_WI

02-17-2013 15:25:39
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 Re: OT: 30-06 Options in reply to old, 02-17-2013 13:47:57  
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Cute backpeddle but thats hardly what you have said so far. In fact, you were claiming just a little bit ago that you had "proof"..... in an NRA book. Like I said, if anybody would know what H&R is selling for barrels for H&R or NEF guns, it would be them, dont you think?
And as to your claim that 10 years or so you could buy a rifle barrel for a shotgun reciever... BullSpit. NEF and H&R have a long history of NEVER doing that. Is that clear? This has been the company policy since before I have been alive and I remember running into it way back in 1986 when the policy was explained to me and how it went way back before 1986.

Bottom line, it dont matter what you are claiming, or what any of this "proof" says that you refuse to post, you cant put a 30-06 barrel on a shotgun reciever. H&R never did it. NEF never did it. H&R even quit selling barrels to gunsmiths because on occation they did do it and what happened? Ka-Boom. Who got sued? H&R did because of the deep pocket rules of suing people.

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old

02-18-2013 21:36:36
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 Re: OT: 30-06 Options in reply to Rich_WI, 02-17-2013 15:25:39  
Next time I am in town I will get a print out of ALL the barrels that I can order for the 3 shotgun receivers we have. Talked to the son and he did order a barrel not long ago for his 12 gauge and he told me he could get from 243 up to and past the 30/06 for it



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RGMartin

02-17-2013 13:22:18
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 Re: OT: 30-06 Options in reply to old, 02-17-2013 13:08:10  
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The shotgun frames are cast iron(SB1 frame), the rifle Frames are steel(SB2 frame). The only rifle barrels that can be safely used on the shotgun frame(SB1) are the .357mag and 44mag. H&R/NEF/Remington even refuse to supply new barrels for the rifle(SB2) frames that are more than 10 years old or so.



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old

02-17-2013 13:44:01
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 Re: OT: 30-06 Options in reply to RGMartin, 02-17-2013 13:22:18  
That maybe so now but back when we got the 410 and the 20 gauge which was when it was still New England arms they did in fact offer rifle barrels. Note I did say I do not know if they STILL and note STILL sold them but know they did at one time but that too was 10 plus years ago



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