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55deere70 01-28-2013 07:05:48 75.138.191.254 Report to Moderator	Lady hits her remote trunk release and a leaking plumbers acetylene tank blow up http://boston.cbslocal.com/2013/01/27/car-explosion-rocks-parking-lot-in-stoneham/ [Reply]   [No Email]
C.R. 01-30-2013 02:52:43 72.251.63.178 Report to Moderator	Re: Acetylene tank explodes in car trunk in reply to 55deere70, 01-28-2013 07:05:48   saw something a couple of years back where a couple was heading to a new years party and had a big baloon filled with actelyne gas that he was going to blow up at their party well the baloon went bang alright but it went off in the backseat of the car,blew all of the windows out and deformed the cars body kind of made the chevy celebrity look like a football wish I had the photo to post [Reply]  [No Email]
Stan in Oly, WA 01-30-2013 10:37:23 174.31.205.75 Report to Moderator	Re: Acetylene tank explodes in car trunk in reply to C.R., 01-30-2013 02:52:43   I wonder what happens to the people in the vehicle when something like that happens. At the very least, it can't do their hearing any good. Stan [Reply]  [No Email]
JMOR 01-30-2013 10:40:57 72.181.173.171 Report to Moderator	Re: Acetylene tank explodes in car trunk in reply to Stan in Oly, WA, 01-30-2013 10:37:23   Quoting Removed, click Modern View to seePressure may be high enough to kill, almost certainly deaf thereafter. [Reply]  [No Email]
JOB 01-29-2013 08:45:10 74.36.134.248 Report to Moderator	Re: Acetylene tank explodes in car trunk in reply to 55deere70, 01-28-2013 07:05:48   The bystanders were lucky that there was not a 50/50 mixture of oxygen in that vehicle. That parking lot could have looked like Hiroshima. Well not quite, but a lot worse than a straight acetylene explosion. [Reply]  [No Email]
Bret4207 01-29-2013 08:35:31 64.19.90.196 Report to Moderator	Re: Acetylene tank explodes in car trunk in reply to 55deere70, 01-28-2013 07:05:48   Gentlemen, if you can find a Federal DOT law stating that the largest propane tank allowed to be carried in an enclosed vehicle is a 20 lbs tank I'd love to see it. If you can find a state law I'd love to see that too. I never meant to imply they should be "rolling around" in the back, but again, if you can show me a Federal or State law that specifically addresses securement propane or other compressed gases in non-placardable quantities I'd love to see it. [Reply]  [No Email]
Dusty MI 01-29-2013 14:40:43 76.250.62.134 Report to Moderator	Re: Acetylene tank explodes in car trunk in reply to Bret4207, 01-29-2013 08:35:31   Quoting Removed, click Modern View to see I think the propane tank standards/regulations were in place before DOT. Here they are from Canada. http://www.apollopropane.com/pdf/TransportingPropaneCylinders.pdf [Reply]  [No Email]
Bret4207 01-30-2013 04:43:03 64.19.90.196 Report to Moderator	Re: Acetylene tank explodes in car trunk in reply to Dusty MI, 01-29-2013 14:40:43   Quoting Removed, click Modern View to see Dusty, that's fine if we were in Canada and even then I'd want to see the specific law. They refer to the "guidelines" they offer and even then the TDG is like our FMCSR and applies to specif quantities. Small quantities are usually granted exceptions and for compressed gases like propane it requires 119 gallons in a single container IIRC before the regs affect the carrier. I'm not endorsing the idea of unsafe practices. I'm just fed up with people trying to apply laws that aren't applicable to the situation and quantities. I don't mind someone making a suggestion, but telling me it's the law when it isn't is called lying around here. [Reply]  [No Email]
JMOR 01-29-2013 14:48:02 72.181.173.171 Report to Moderator	Re: Acetylene tank explodes in car trunk in reply to Dusty MI, 01-29-2013 14:40:43   Quoting Removed, click Modern View to see "if you can find a Federal DOT law " [Reply]  [No Email]
JMOR 01-29-2013 14:16:54 72.181.173.171 Report to Moderator	Re: Acetylene tank explodes in car trunk in reply to Bret4207, 01-29-2013 08:35:31   Quoting Removed, click Modern View to seeWhy upright for propane? Newer tanks have a valve to prevent liquid draw, so in upside down or horizontal, they have what amounts to double valving....almost seems safer. As for acetylene horizontal...not a problem, especially if standing upright for a time period before use. We have used them horizontal for over 50 years (still do) & NEVER expelled acetone. If it is raining & sun is shining, the devil is beating his wife! [Reply]  [No Email]
mkirsch 01-29-2013 08:08:36 64.80.110.75 Report to Moderator	Re: Acetylene tank explodes in car trunk in reply to 55deere70, 01-28-2013 07:05:48   Allowed... Nobody is out there checking every vehicle to make sure their propane tank is sitting upright and is secured. It's just common sense, but common sense isn't common, so you make it a law. People with common sense will secure their propane cylinders so they can't roll around and get damaged. They don't want to lose their expensive propane, and don't want to get blown up. Clueless, law-abiding citizens will secure their propane cylinders because they think the police are lurking in the bushes watching them. They have no idea that they're carrying something dangerous. Stupid people will just throw the tank in the trunk and go on their merry way. 99,999 times out of 100,000, they will get home with no problem. They don't know value, the law, safety, or any of it. [Reply]  [No Email]
Bret4207 01-29-2013 04:04:46 64.19.90.196 Report to Moderator	Re: Acetylene tank explodes in car trunk in reply to 55deere70, 01-28-2013 07:05:48   I've seen people tell me there are laws that say a propane tank or oxy or acetylene tank can't be transported in an enclosed vehicle, has to be upright, has to be strapped in, etc. because it's DOT law. Thing is none of the items mentioned are of enough quantity to even be in the book so the rules don't apply. I've looked and looked and it's just not there. Now, if you want to talk best practices, common sense, etc., fine, that's different. But I don't own a pickup at the moment and I'm out of acetylene and I won't pay $150.00 for the gas supply co to drop one off. So it's going in the Burb, on it's side and I will let it set overnight in an upright position before using it. Same thing for the 100 lbs propane tank I need filled. The poor guy at the hardware gets the hives when I load it, but that's his problem, not mine. [Reply]  [No Email]
Dusty MI 01-29-2013 04:53:00 76.250.62.134 Report to Moderator	Re: Acetylene tank explodes in car trunk in reply to Bret4207, 01-29-2013 04:04:46   It's been my understanding for many, many years that the largest L.P. tank allowed to be carried in an enclosed vehicle is a 20 pounder. and it must be sitting upright. I've seen guys getting 30 pounders filled and laying them down in the back of their pick up, and the guy doing the filling informing the driver that the tanks must be sitting up. [Reply]  [No Email]
Robert Major 01-28-2013 22:35:37 216.130.91.76 Report to Moderator	Re: Acetylene tank explodes in car trunk in reply to 55deere70, 01-28-2013 07:05:48   Hi They where Lucky nobody was killed . A guy I shared an apartment with while I worked away,had a job working in the oil patch here in Canada. They where building and loading mobile shops in shipping containers. They put cylinders and tools in the shop, Then had to weld the doors shut for security when they got the container to site, until the job started. The cylinder for the torch weeped for 2 hours in the front of the container. when they struck the ark on the doors you can guess the rest. Some of my other friends where working the same yard that day and haven't been the same since this happened. It was a good few years ago now. Regards Robert [Reply]  [No Email]
Bob Bancroft 01-28-2013 12:30:32 97.73.64.142 Report to Moderator	Re: Acetylene tank explodes in car trunk in reply to 55deere70, 01-28-2013 07:05:48   My computer/connection is too slow to get the link to work! Carrying gas cans/torch tanks and the like is bad enough in a pickup truck. But it just shouldn't even be contemplated in a trunk. Went to some seminar years ago, I think it was how DOT, etc. regulations were going to affect farm trucks, or some such. Anyhow- state trooper had pictures he took of a burnt up car. Father had sent daughter to corner station with can for lawnmower gas. She never made it home. [Reply]  [No Email]
D7fever 01-28-2013 12:04:46 72.79.240.98 Report to Moderator	Re: Acetylene tank explodes in car trunk in reply to 55deere70, 01-28-2013 07:05:48   Acetylene tanks should not be laid down, and shouldn't be carried in a trunk of a car. Gas supplier has all the rules and they usually have news articles with pics of sad tales. Also the tanks should be SECURED when transporting, and with the regulators REMOVED. [Reply]  [No Email]
k6zrx 01-28-2013 18:15:53 71.138.142.9 Report to Moderator	Re: Acetylene tank explodes in car trunk in reply to D7fever, 01-28-2013 12:04:46   If they have been laid down, they need to sit upright for a time to let the acetone drain from the valve area. The cylinders are filled with an inert filler, soaked in acetone, and the acetylene is dissolved into the acetone. Don't want any fluid getting into the regulator or there will be problems. Josh [Reply]  [No Email]
JMOR 01-28-2013 07:17:46 72.181.173.171 Report to Moderator	Re: Acetylene tank explodes in car trunk in reply to 55deere70, 01-28-2013 07:05:48   Quoting Removed, click Modern View to seeThat stuff does make a really good boom!!! :twisted: [Reply]  [No Email]
jgayman 01-28-2013 07:37:58 67.234.187.121 Report to Moderator	Re: Acetylene tank explodes in car trunk in reply to JMOR, 01-28-2013 07:17:46   That's why I carry my small bottle in the carrier tucked behind the passenger seat. At least I will smell it if there is a leak. :-) [Reply]  [No Email]
JMOR 01-28-2013 07:40:50 72.181.173.171 Report to Moderator	Re: Acetylene tank explodes in car trunk in reply to jgayman, 01-28-2013 07:37:58   Quoting Removed, click Modern View to seeI've lost any sense of smell due to sinus surgery, so I have to light a match to check for leaks! :evil: [Reply]  [No Email]