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Re: Well pump problem

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Russ from MN

01-05-2013 13:23:33
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Bad bladder and possibly a bad tank, it should of worked better for more than a week. You cant put too much air in them (up to the system max) as the excess will just burp out. I use an old water heater tank for the cabin and I add air about twice a season, not a problem.




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Paul Janke

01-05-2013 15:56:48
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 Re: Well pump problem in reply to Russ from MN, 01-05-2013 13:23:33  
A tank with no bladder will get rid of the excess air. A good bladder tank won't. We shoot for two pounds less than the start pressure. If the air pressure is higher that the start pressure then the tank will run out of water before the pump starts and will cause a momentary out of water situation. Water well pumps and the tanks to go with them should be sized so the pump runs for at least one minute before it shuts off. Frequent starts causes the motor to overheat and eventually die$$$$.

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Russ from MN

01-05-2013 19:15:59
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 Re: Well pump problem in reply to Paul Janke, 01-05-2013 15:56:48  
Once the bladder is broken you can't over charge them, its only until you replace it, right?



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rusted nuts

01-05-2013 21:25:44
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 Re: Well pump problem in reply to Russ from MN, 01-05-2013 19:15:59  
Yeah, You CAN over charge them!! Till they BLOW UP in your face, also too much air press and your pump setting will be all screw up, If they pump at all.



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Russ from MN

01-06-2013 07:25:25
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 Re: Well pump problem in reply to rusted nuts, 01-05-2013 21:25:44  
You didn't understand my post, I said up to the system pressure. I guess I should be more careful what I post when people only read half the words and only understand half of what they read. At our cabin I just shut off the power to the pump, hook up the compressor to the outside faucet and let it run, it is set to shut off at 65psi, same as the water pump. I blow the water out of the tank a couple of times and then unhook the air and turn the power back on to the pump. then I put the water hose on a tree and let the pump cycle a few times to get the dirt out of the system (very rusty water) and that gives me the proper pre-charge in the tank. Then we are good to go for 3-4 months, very simple if you understand the system. This is a used water heater tank lying horizontal in a crawl space, no room for a big bladder tank as the ones I have seen are all vertical.

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rusted nuts

01-06-2013 12:54:34
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 Re: Well pump problem in reply to Russ from MN, 01-06-2013 07:25:25  
Well, no pun intended, maybee ya should read your post. I try to read all the words in a post, sometimes I miss some, Didn't miss any in yours.



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Paul Janke

01-05-2013 20:37:11
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 Re: Well pump problem in reply to Russ from MN, 01-05-2013 19:15:59  
I am a well driller, not a service guy, but sometimes end up out on service calls. If I"m not mistaken, I think many times when the bladder is bad, you can"t get any air in it. I don"t know that for sure.............



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Russ from MN

01-05-2013 20:52:53
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 Re: Well pump problem in reply to Paul Janke, 01-05-2013 20:37:11  
I had one with a bad bladder a couple of years ago, it was water logged and the pump was short cycling. I aired it up and it worked OK until I got time to change it the next week. It was under warranty from a plumbing contractor and didn't last 5 years. The first bladder tank I ever had came from Sears about 38 years ago and the bag was replaceable in it, had a large flange on the bottom.



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