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Re: OT..single shot varmit rifle

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12-24-2012 09:27:17

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Never have really liked a true single shot rifle my self. But a bolt action that is another story and many good rifles in the 243 or even more popular is the 223/556. Ya understand the smoke pole hunting my 50 cal is loaded right now since it is that season here in Missouri but I also carry a 44mag for back up which this year is legal last year I carried a 45 Navy Colt black powder hand gun for back up. I like to be able to have a follow up shot just in case I need one

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12-24-2012 16:26:11

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 Re: OT..single shot varmit rifle in reply to old, 12-24-2012 09:27:17  

Here is a .36 cal 1851 Navy made by Colt, not repro. I'm looking for just an Italian made .44 proably Walker for the power, to use as MZ backup as you are doing.

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12-24-2012 17:47:17

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 Re: OT..single shot varmit rifle in reply to GordoSD, 12-24-2012 16:26:11  
The one I have is an Italian made one and has some fancy engraving on the cylinder

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12-24-2012 13:24:01

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 Re: OT..single shot varmit rifle in reply to old, 12-24-2012 09:27:17  
That would be a real rare and valuable Colt. A .45 would be the only one in the world as Colt and Grissom both made only .36 Calibre back during the Civil War and later. The modern repros came in .36 or .44.

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12-24-2012 14:38:42

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 Re: OT..single shot varmit rifle in reply to GordoSD, 12-24-2012 13:24:01  
Reason I called it a 45 is the fact it uses a round ball that is .451 so figured that would be a 45 not a 44 but have not looked at the gun in a long time to see what it says. But yes it is in fact a 44 not a 45 just looked at it to be 100% sure

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12-27-2012 17:12:12

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 Re: OT..single shot varmit rifle in reply to old, 12-24-2012 14:38:42  
the .451 ball is the old standard for the .44 army revolver. the .44 refers to the bore size of barrel. Cylinder is slightly larger to hold ball with slight interference- the forcing cone of barrel is rifling lapped down to allow ball to get into barrel without shaving too much and jamming next round. .36 barrels used .375 nominal balls to .380-- that is one reason the term .38 caliber came about for the .358 bores- the "Ball" was .38 "caliber/size" and early cartridge conversions used a case and bullet same size-think of .22 rimfires. Your use of term .45 is a accepted - but secondary use- form indicating the size of "ball" used. I used to use the .454 in Remington replica, the Cap and Ball Ruger old Army gets .457 balls or bullets- there was some variation in old civil war pistols- machining slop varied- and a lot of replicas were made with a slightly out of spec master to be copied, different manufacturing process- the cast steel frames instead of machined iron frames example- and Spanish, Italian, german replicas sometimes used the modern barrel rifling as their equipment was set up for on modern guns. The old S&W .38 cartridge with a 363/365 bullet is closest to what most of civil war barrels had.

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12-24-2012 13:25:48

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 Re: OT..single shot varmit rifle in reply to GordoSD, 12-24-2012 13:24:01  
That is an 1851 Navy.

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