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Re: Relaoding dies 30/30

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11-30-2012 15:49:23

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So, did you shoot your loads? How did they turn out? No sooty cases? What was the size of your groups? If you're happy with the results, that's what matters, but you're making it harder than necessary by using a less-than-ideal powder.

IMR-4350 is a great powder for pushing heavy bullets in .30-06, but .30-06 has almost twice the case capacity of .30-30, and it runs at much higher chamber pressures. I wouldn't consider using 4350 for .308 Winchester, let alone .30-30. Picking a powder because you happen to have a lot of it on hand is a terrible idea; a lot of reloaders fall into that trap, then wonder why they get terrible results.

Just because data is published for a given powder/cartridge combination doesn't necessarily mean it's a good choice. A lot of manuals publish data that is borderline usable, just because reloaders like yourself want to use what they have on hand. I'm guessing you're using the Lyman manual, since it matches your data, but did you check any other sources? I try not to use a load unless I confirm it with two independent sources. If you look at the load data on the Hodgdon site (Hodgdon owns IMR), you'll find NO .30-30 load data using IMR-4350. That's right: the company that makes your powder does not recommend its use for .30-30.

The problem with IMR-4350 is it is a medium-slow powder and .30-30 wants a medium or medium-fast burning powder. Slower powders need more pressure to ignite consistently, and .30-30 isn't loaded to very high chamber pressures. It might work fine in 70 degree temperatures, but then give erratic results when it gets down to 20. Another problem is that the max load listed in Lyman (36 grains) is compressed, meaning you may have a tough time getting all that powder into the case without an extended drop tube on your measure or funnel.

You paid good money for those CT bullets. You should really use an appropriate powder so they can do their job.

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11-30-2012 20:57:14

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 Re: Relaoding dies 30/30 in reply to MarkB_MI, 11-30-2012 15:49:23  
Also by the way you may have the $$ to waste on buying a powder for each type of ammo you reload but I do not so I will use what I have and be happy with it knowing it will in fact do the job I need it to do. All I care is that it will kill a deer or if it comes to it kill a human if things go as many think it will go

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12-01-2012 03:32:26

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 Re: Relaoding dies 30/30 in reply to old, 11-30-2012 20:57:14  
By your own statement you admit you don't know if your load will push its bullet past the end of the barrel, let alone hit the broad side of a whitetail in freezing temperatures. Maybe you should confirm the performance and accuracy of your load before rejecting my advice.

Yes, I do have different powders for each cartridge I load. Actually multiple powders for each, some of which I'll probably never use again. You tend to acquire stuff after 35+ years of handloading. But it's hardly a "wasted" investment. Each one of those half-empty powder canisters represents something learned.

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12-01-2012 08:30:23

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 Re: Relaoding dies 30/30 in reply to MarkB_MI, 12-01-2012 03:32:26  
You keep missing the point since the book say I can use that powder. As for a hunting gun this one is a back up for the back up gun and yes I will be testing the loads when deer season is over and I have yet to EVER have any problems with the loads my manual say I can use and how well they preform. Also as I said I am not a novice at reloading and have been doing it for well over a decade. Yes I could also go with the IMR4198 that I have but I use that in my SKS rounds so do not want to waste it in the 30/30 since the 30/30 is not a gun that is used much

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11-30-2012 16:39:15

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 Re: Relaoding dies 30/30 in reply to MarkB_MI, 11-30-2012 15:49:23  
Well #1 I am not a novice when it comes to reloading been doing it for decades. As for shooting any of the 30/30 I just did heck no I do not target practice during deer season. As for the powder I used I have used it for years and like how it shoots out of the guns I have used it in. So since the re-loaders manual say it is a good powder as in is listed in the chart I used it

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12-01-2012 03:24:09

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 Re: Relaoding dies 30/30 in reply to old, 11-30-2012 16:39:15  
You say you're no novice, yet you make novice mistakes. Trying to use a light load of a slow powder is a classic rookie mistake.

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12-01-2012 08:35:35

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 Re: Relaoding dies 30/30 in reply to MarkB_MI, 12-01-2012 03:24:09  
I was taught to reload but a target master who shoot day in day out and hit targets if 3/4 inch all day every day with lite pistol loads and he was super good at it. I use the specs right out of the Lyman 47th edition reloading handbook and starting loads are not lite loads but starting loads which I have found to produce some of the best loads to be able to hit the target and punch one hole not 5 holes in 5 shoots. Or in other words bug off I'll do it a the book says I can

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