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jon f mn

11-29-2012 11:51:41
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All my welders get a piece of felt folded over the wire and held on with one of those wide metal paper clips. I put a little oil on it, mostly to attract the dust and dirt on the wire. It works good for me. I don't think it does anything as far as lube, there is not enough on there for that. All the Miller welders I bought new came with that in them. Not in the Lincolns tho.




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JMS/.MN

11-29-2012 13:11:47
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 Re: MIG wire feed in reply to jon f mn, 11-29-2012 11:51:41  
I use a clothes pin to hold the pad in place, and a drop of oil on it. Salesman must have told me that, I know I didn't think of it myself.



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Puddles

11-29-2012 11:59:45
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 Re: MIG wire feed in reply to jon f mn, 11-29-2012 11:51:41  
jon believe it or not this is not my first rodeo when it comes to welding. :wink:
Not sure why anybody would deliberately place oil or any type of lube on welding wire. Just think about this for a minute! Ever hear of the term porosity?



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jon f mn

11-29-2012 12:23:38
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 Re: MIG wire feed in reply to Puddles, 11-29-2012 11:59:45  
Why, after 20+ years in the business, yes I have heard of it. But I've never had an issue with it. It's what the new miller welders I bought recommended so that's what I do. I don't soak the pad just put a little on it. It's been working for many many rolls of wire and I don't have any intention of changing now.



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Jason the Red

11-29-2012 18:33:41
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 Re: MIG wire feed in reply to jon f mn, 11-29-2012 12:23:38  
The new miller welders don't "require" lube, though. We just bought 14 of them in April and not one of them has ever had any lube. They function fine. We do alot of code welding and any oil involved could change the integrity of the weld.



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Puddles

11-29-2012 13:09:26
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 Re: MIG wire feed in reply to jon f mn, 11-29-2012 12:23:38  
5 or 6 years ago this same discussion came up on the Miller board. Things got out of hand as they normally do on that site. Andy the moderator for Miller stepped in and said the same thing as the majority of the members, NEVER USE LUBE ON THE WIRE!
But if you've been doing it for 20-years, have at it. Just one question, how much code work do you do?



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jon f mn

11-29-2012 13:33:06
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 Re: MIG wire feed in reply to Puddles, 11-29-2012 13:09:26  
None, but then people on here are not doing code work either. How many John Deere front fold corn planters have you welded back together after the broke in half in the field? How many vibrating cable plow gear boxes have you welded back together after they fell off a trailer at 60 mph? How many trailers have you designed and fabricated with just a list of needs from a customer? I've done all these and many more, and never had any official welding training, I just learned from a old blacksmith and by doing.

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Puddles

11-29-2012 13:41:41
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 Re: MIG wire feed in reply to jon f mn, 11-29-2012 13:33:06  
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Very impressive!

Build a couple of these and get back to me.



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jon f mn

11-29-2012 14:02:09
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 Re: MIG wire feed in reply to Puddles, 11-29-2012 13:41:41  

Impressive, but anybody can take the piece they are given, put it where they are told, then weld it as instructed. Build a couple a these, without a blueprint or design, or someone telling you where to weld and what material to use, and then get back to me.

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Stick welding

11-29-2012 21:58:58
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 Re: MIG wire feed in reply to jon f mn, 11-29-2012 14:02:09  
You're comparing trailers to billion dollar highly specialized projects... and no not everyone can build something even if they are told exactly what to do. Nobody can build anything without some kind of design even if it's in their head. The first thing they ever teach you in any shop class is to make a drawing of what you want to build. How do you figure out your material list without a drawing?

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jon f mn

11-29-2012 22:39:11
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 Re: MIG wire feed in reply to Stick welding, 11-29-2012 21:58:58  
Your right about the 2 different kinds of projects, which was my point. A farmer or hobbyist is not a code welder and does not use or need the same equipment or knowledge or skill to do what they want. Being a certified code welder or pipe line welder does not make anyone an expert in welding the kinds of things that most people on this board want to weld. It's like having a brain surgeon give a patient a foot massage. This is exactly the kind of knowledge that I have tho, doing this for so many years. Thats why I recomend easy and simple over absolute adhearance to the rules. It's why I recomend inexperienced welders with just an ac buz box use 6013 rods rather than 6011, they are easier to use so a lesser welder can get the job done where they may not be able to with a more difficult rod, even if it is more proper and popular. As far as material lists go, I never needed one except on large jobs. I've always been able to keep it in my head. Of course a trailer doesn't use much material so it's not a big deal.

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Stick welding

11-29-2012 22:49:23
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 Re: MIG wire feed in reply to jon f mn, 11-29-2012 22:39:11  
The majority of hobbyist welders would greatly benefit from taking a course or learning more about welding in general. Like was mentioned before, a lot of people go to the home center, buy a welder and decide their first project is a trailer like you build. That's pretty scary! I always recommend going a step above a buzz box if you can afford it. It makes learning to weld so much easier and less frustrating.

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jon f mn

11-29-2012 23:02:45
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 Re: MIG wire feed in reply to Stick welding, 11-29-2012 22:49:23  
Me too, actually I always try to get them to buy a small wirefeed like this guy has. They are so much easier to use and will do 90% of what farmers and hobbyists do. I do recomend the 220v tho, so they will handle up to 1/4" materiel in a pinch.



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Puddles

11-29-2012 14:07:26
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 Re: MIG wire feed in reply to jon f mn, 11-29-2012 14:02:09  
Oh you da man!
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jon f mn

11-29-2012 14:11:02
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 Re: MIG wire feed in reply to Puddles, 11-29-2012 14:07:26  
Now that's funny I don't care who ya are.



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jon f mn

11-29-2012 13:38:36
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 Re: MIG wire feed in reply to jon f mn, 11-29-2012 13:33:06  
And most importantly, how many old ladies heirloom frying pan handles on the pan that came over from the old country with gramma have you welded back on after the grandson dropped it and broke it off?



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