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Re: More U.S. made goes bye bye

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11-26-2012 13:50:48

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One of the amazing things about Global Warming is that it doesn't seem to effect places like Russia, India and China. Various of Cousin Al's buddies that drank his Kool-Aid want to implement "carbon taxes" and "cap and trade" carbon credits in make business owners pay their "fair share" which amounts to a rate of 2 to 3 times what a "normal" person pays and maybe 10 to 1,000 times more overall. Net effect is it's to expensive to make things here anymore so economies that haven't bought into the global warming myth will have jobs and a future, those like us that have will face a future ridden with debt and unemployment.

I call Global Warming a myth, from what I have seen and be able to find on the statistics the numbers don't aid up. The basic premise of science is cause and effect and repeatability, the scientific method is to state your hypothesis(guess/explanation) and use experiments to prove or disprove your hypothesis. A valid hypothesis should be able to stand up to any challenge, meaning If your hypothesis is correct it can explain any data I collect. If you make any challenge to the authenticity of global warming claims you are personally attacked or told that this is to important to wait and verify. Many of the original papers and other work supporting global warming was lacking the information on how the statistics were collected,the mathematical model used to develop the conclusion and the statistical explanation of previous climate anomalies like the Ice ages, the renaissance when global warming provided increased food for the world or the drought and dust bowl of the 30's. It has been well over 20 years since global warming first came to national attention, how come we aren't seeing comparisons to what they projected would happen and what actually happened? Because their projections didn't come true. The original work doesn't account for and adequately handle long term cycles in the earth's climate and doesn't properly handle the data with respect to normal temperature variations, urban encroachment on monitoring sites and the mass closing of northern data collection points when the USSR failed.

Unions- don't get me going SHMBO works at the local hospital and pays dues to AFSCME. On weekends she works a full 8 hour shift with no breaks, a violation of state and federal laws, if she complains she gets fired, union won't do anything. About the only thing I think the union got for us for those dues was another 4 years of Obama.

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11-26-2012 17:34:12

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 Re: More U.S. made goes bye bye in reply to wisbaker, 11-26-2012 13:50:48  
fact-global warming is real. fact-we can not stop it.fact- it is a Natural cycle. fact- at the most we have sped it up just a little. in 1816 a volcano erupted and sent a cloud of ash around the world. there was no summer that year. tens of thousands died in Europe. there were no crops that year. in the states it spurred a surge of westward expansion. they were trying to get away from the cold. it was called the Little Ice-age.

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11-26-2012 16:50:24

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 Re: More U.S. made goes bye bye in reply to wisbaker, 11-26-2012 13:50:48  
Not to start an argument but there is no federal law that requires an employer to give a break or lunch period. That is something that is negotiated between employee and employer, whether union or non union.
If there are negotiated breaks, then there is a violation. State law may grant the breaks/lunch.
Check the E Laws Advisor web site, wage & hour section I to was a 20 year AFSCME member. They did not do much for our bargining unit, so I can't say much for them.

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Bob Huntress

11-26-2012 14:09:25

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 Re: More U.S. made goes bye bye in reply to wisbaker, 11-26-2012 13:50:48  
I look at what the effects of government policy would be even if global warming were true. Would a system of taxing companies for exhaust gases make the world any cooler, Not hardly. It would merely take money from companies. I find green products are a scam, even if you believe in global warming. Several companies that collect extra money because their products are eco friendly only qualify to say this, because they contribute some of their extra charge to green enough charities. Their products often are no more green than anyone else's. Like you I figure that global warming is a scam, but even if it were real nothing government does to curb it has any hope of success.

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11-26-2012 14:36:03

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 Re: More U.S. made goes bye bye in reply to Bob Huntress, 11-26-2012 14:09:25  
wisbaker and Bob Huntress. You guys are right on. I agree 100%. Why can't we get our leaders to understand this common sense? Your comment about anything gov tries to curb this has no hope of success is SO TRUE. IF OR WHEN there may be any global warming, it will be a far bigger happening than any government can prevent. And lest we forget, government IS US and do any group of us feel qualified to tackle something that is only in God's realm of things??

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