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Re: Question for you reloaders (gun)

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jackinok

11-26-2012 10:13:30
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is this actually a collet die? if so and its actually a lee,setup is absolutly critical.IT WILL NOT work if you set shoulder back even .001 too far or its the least amount long.since it uses the shoulder of the case to work the collet.in fact they are very hard too use correctly but when you do get them setup they work very well.two things i would check,first make sure crimping die is absolutly clean and i do mean spotlessly clean.collet simply will not close far enough with one speck of dirt or crud in grooves. next make absolutely certain you have the decapping resizing die set up absolutely perfect.ANY variation in the shoulder spacing will cause bullets to be crimped less.if your absolutly POSITIVE you have dies set right,you may have to buy a collet for a 307 size bullet.the idea behind a collet die is simply it crimps the case to the bullet,theoreticaly keeping it more centered in the bore.if your checking bullet fit just after youve ran case through the sizing die ,bullet wont be as tight as on other dies.its only tight when collet crimps case on bullet itself.the sizing dies only resizes the case enough to hold bullet until collet crimps case neck. personally,i dont really care for their collet dies,just too hard to setup and use if you load for various calibers.if you were reloading simply for one rifle and had your loader setup for that they work good.years ago when i was target shooting i had two presses setup one held the sizing die,one held the other.i neck sized only and the collet bullet crimp die was setup and never moved. what you may try is simply turning die down in press about 1/4 turn at a time. bullet doesnt HAVE to be crimped real tight,in fact it raises pressures to do so.idealy you would have bullet just held tight enough it would stay in place during recoil,while giving consistant ignition with your chosen powder.really slow burning powders generally require more bullet friction than a faster burning powder for consistant ignition and pressures.

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kevinj54

11-26-2012 10:22:32
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 Re: Question for you reloaders (gun) in reply to jackinok, 11-26-2012 10:13:30  
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I asked that question early on and even sent a link to the collet dies. No answer back.

He has mentioned removing the expander but one can remove the mandrel in a collet die also.



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old

11-26-2012 13:08:37
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 Re: Question for you reloaders (gun) in reply to kevinj54, 11-26-2012 10:22:32  
I tried to go to that link but being on dial up I gave up after 10 minutes and it not loading



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kevinj54

11-26-2012 16:54:37
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 Re: Question for you reloaders (gun) in reply to old, 11-26-2012 13:08:37  

old said: (quoted from post at 18:08:37 11/26/12) I tried to go to that link but being on dial up I gave up after 10 minutes and it not loading


Sorry, did not know you were on dial up.

Can you tell us if it is a collet die or a standard die.

I am not trying to jerk your chain here, just trying to understand what equipment you have. Post a pic of the die.

By the way, 40 years of reloading most calibers, and NRA certified reloading instructor here.

Do not want to give the wrong advice on reloading. As others have said the collet die is a whole different animal.

The fact you can put a 30-06 case in and resize it fine suggests bad brass or the die is set wrong as both have the same neck dimensions.
This post was edited by kevinj54 at 16:55:11 11/26/12.

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old

11-26-2012 17:23:05
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 Re: Question for you reloaders (gun) in reply to kevinj54, 11-26-2012 16:54:37  
Ya have no idea which die is which. Been doing reloading off and on for 25 plus years but do it as a hobby for my own guns and a few for friend. All I know about this 308 die is that it came as a set of the common lee dies. One is the sizing die and the depriming all in one and the other is to seat the bullet when filled with powder. I have in the past done 7.62X54 Russian 7.62X39 Russian as in SKS ammo. 3006 and 44mag On all but he 44mag and SKS I use the IMR 4350 and the 44 Hercules 2400 and the SKS I use the IMR4198. So I have been around reloading for a long time but just do not do a whole lot of it. I might sit and do say a few hundred rounds then not do any for a year or more. But since I have a few more guns now figure it is time to start loading more up just in case I find I need it

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