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Re: Question for you reloaders (gun)

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kevinj54

11-25-2012 09:27:31
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Is this a collet die or a die with expander??? If the brass has thin necks then some dies will not pull it in enough.




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old

11-25-2012 09:42:42
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 Re: Question for you reloaders (gun) in reply to kevinj54, 11-25-2012 09:27:31  
No sure of your terms. This die removes the primer and also sizes the brass. It has a part that fits in the brass and I guess pulls it up words but as I said is not forming it so the bullet will sit tight enough to be shot. It is a Lee 308W-82



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kevinj54

11-25-2012 10:05:46
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 Re: Question for you reloaders (gun) in reply to old, 11-25-2012 09:42:42  

old said: (quoted from post at 14:42:42 11/25/12) No sure of your terms. This die removes the primer and also sizes the brass. It has a part that fits in the brass and I guess pulls it up words but as I said is not forming it so the bullet will sit tight enough to be shot. It is a Lee 308W-82


Can you post a pic?? You did say Lee die at some point and they make a collet die which has a special set up.

Look at this link......

http://leeprecision.com/collet-dies-308w.html
This post was edited by kevinj54 at 15:22:09 11/25/12 3 times.

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11-26-2012 17:45:28
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 Re: Question for you reloaders (gun) in reply to kevinj54, 11-25-2012 10:05:46  
Tried your link again and this time it want in 2 minutes . What I have is not a collect type die or at least does not look like what is pictured



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kevinj54

11-27-2012 05:29:17
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 Re: Question for you reloaders (gun) in reply to old, 11-26-2012 17:45:28  
Sounds like you have a standard die. I am still confused.

If it will pull the neck down on a 30-06 it WILL pull the neck down on a 308 as the are the same.

You need to mic out the neck wall thickness to see if it is poor brass.

Also some dies pull the brass down smaller than others.

I have seen some shell holders that limit case insertion so you may want to try a different shell holder.

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11-27-2012 07:47:05
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 Re: Question for you reloaders (gun) in reply to kevinj54, 11-27-2012 05:29:17  
I am thinking this Winchester brass is cheap as in Wal-Mart stuff and maybe well be the whole problem. Never ran into a problem like this with any other die set I have



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11-25-2012 10:23:26
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 Re: Question for you reloaders (gun) in reply to kevinj54, 11-25-2012 10:05:46  
I have tried all the set up things as per the instructions and even tried a 3006 die I have and can not get the brass it size correctly but use a 3006 brass and it does size as it should. I got this 308 die with the reloader so who knows what may have been done to it



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MarkB_MI

11-25-2012 15:14:12
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 Re: Question for you reloaders (gun) in reply to old, 11-25-2012 10:23:26  
You cannot size 308 brass with a 30-06 die because the die will bottom out before the case neck is sized.

You CAN neck size 30-06 brass in a CONVENTIONAL 308 die. But it seems apparent that you have a collet die, not a conventional die.

If you still believe you have a conventional die, simply remove the expander and size a case. If you can insert a bullet into the neck, then either the sizer is bad or your brass has unusually thin necks. You shouldn't have thin necks with once-fired brass, but with brass of unknown origin there's a possibility the case necks have been reamed or turned to accommodate an undersize chamber. (Turning case necks is SOP for benchrest shooters.) I find it hard to believe your sizing die is bad, but after all we ARE talking about a Lee "Precision" product.

Just so we're on the same page, a conventional sizing die sizes the case neck in two operations: During the downstroke, the sizer enters the oversize case neck, which is then squeezed undersize by the die body. Then, on the upstroke the expander is pulled through the now undersize case neck, expanding it to the appropriate i.d.

A collet die sizes by squeezing the case neck between the body and mandrel. Naturally the case neck will spring back after sizing, so the mandrel has to be a bit undersize.

It seems you're not the only one to have problems with the Lee Wonder T*rd Collet Die; see the link below:

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11-25-2012 18:16:28
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 Re: Question for you reloaders (gun) in reply to MarkB_MI, 11-25-2012 15:14:12  
This brass is once fired as in shot only one time Winchester brass. I have tried it with the expander and with out the expander and still not right as in bullet almost falls out. Thinking about try to do a little 30/30 brass and see if I run into the same thing. Ya 30/30 is a die set I want to get but have not since the last set I had was stolen form me by a guy who said hey let me use your die then he booked with it and have not seen him in 15 plus years

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11-25-2012 11:05:01
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 Re: Question for you reloaders (gun) in reply to old, 11-25-2012 10:23:26  
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So if you run a o6 into the 308 die it sizes the neck properly???

That take you back to thin or hardened brass for the 308



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11-25-2012 18:23:03
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 Re: Question for you reloaders (gun) in reply to kevinj54, 11-25-2012 11:05:01  
Not sure I tried the 06 in the 308 die guess I will double check that to be sure and also will try a few 30/30 in the 308 die and see what happens. This brass is Winchester once fired brass so maybe this stuff is new junk brass??



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