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RUMOR MILL?

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George Marsh

11-04-2012 06:39:24




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Is there any truth that Jeep is going to be made in China?




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henry0

11-06-2012 13:22:55




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 Re: RUMOR MILL? in reply to George Marsh, 11-04-2012 06:39:24  
After reading this whole thing I have just one thing to say. I really feel sorry for people like Lance who believe in the past four years. The present gummint has only one agenda and that is to rape the well off and give to those who don;t want to work. That way they can stay in power and continue their grand lifestyle. I have seen everything this world has to offer in my 81 years and we are on the downward slippery slope. Those Like Lanse will have to pay the price in their later years. The old German saying" we got too soon old and too late smart " really fits to this younger generation. I have heard very few lies from Romney and lots more from the other side, including half truths.

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George Marsh

11-07-2012 13:42:40




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 Re: RUMOR MILL? in reply to henry0, 11-06-2012 13:22:55  
Henry,
Robin Hood, Stealing is ok if you steal from the rich.

Hitler, stold from the rich Jews, put them in jail and killed them.

Stealing form the rich is OK if you call it paying their "fair share".

Come on Henry, get with it, rich people are evil.

George



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Jim Naden

11-06-2012 02:58:28




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 Re: RUMOR MILL? in reply to timcasbolt, 11-04-2012 06:39:24  
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That's the point lost or not realized to many....Chrysler's majority owner is Fiat, an Italian company. Overseas Chrysler money is probably not coming back here.



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Mark6005

11-05-2012 19:19:27




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 Re: RUMOR MILL? in reply to George Marsh, 11-04-2012 06:39:24  
Ah to be a teenager again and so enlightened. And to think it used to be Said we get wiser with age. Guess us old timers need a lesson from the kids on how the world goes around. Nothing personal lanse



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jhilyer

11-05-2012 09:48:36




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 Re: RUMOR MILL? in reply to George Marsh, 11-04-2012 06:39:24  
Like others have said, China is a huge market that, from what I've read, really wants American cars. If we design them here, build them there (for them), and the profit comes back here, I suppose that's OK.

What about Honda, Toyota, Kia, Hyundai, and Nissan? They are all Asian manufacturers with plants in the U.S. I think of it the same way as that.

To be clear: Expanding production = good. Moving production = bad.

To keep this tractor related, Kubota produces tractors in the U.S., and I own a John Deere made in India. Go figure.

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George Marsh

11-05-2012 13:21:02




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 Re: RUMOR MILL? in reply to jhilyer, 11-05-2012 09:48:36  
If the profit comes back here they would have to pay the second largest corp tax in the world. Why would Fiat send profits back to the US?



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Bendee

11-05-2012 05:27:34




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 Re: RUMOR MILL? in reply to George Marsh, 11-04-2012 06:39:24  
They will appease the masses, it will be assembled in America from parts shipped from China, that makes it right.
However the price will not decrease.



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Owen Aaland

11-04-2012 21:39:18




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 Re: RUMOR MILL? in reply to Puddles, 11-04-2012 06:39:24  
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That was one of the proposals when the Constitution was being written that did not survive.



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Rollie NE PA

11-04-2012 17:57:23




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 Re: RUMOR MILL? in reply to rc h20 less, 11-04-2012 06:39:24  
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-250_162-57542594/chrysler-ceo-jeep-not-moving-to-china/

Found this bit of info.



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Oliver in SC

11-05-2012 04:40:18




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 Re: RUMOR MILL? in reply to Ron W, 11-04-2012 16:22:06  
Ron, You are exactly right as far as I am concerned. Couldn't have said it better.



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George Marsh

11-04-2012 17:57:17




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 Re: RUMOR MILL? in reply to Ron W, 11-04-2012 16:22:06  
Ron,

What do I think?

The best Liar always wins.

Most likely the youngest people in this country will determine our future, scary!

Requardless who our president is, nothing will get passed the do nothing House and Senate.

Reguardless of all the spin put on Jeep, looks like China will be making Jeeps soon. Bet China's Jeep parts will find their way to the US.

We are all going to be in trouble real soon and it will be the other guy's fault.

George

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Jon Hagen

11-04-2012 14:44:32




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 Re: RUMOR MILL? in reply to George Marsh, 11-04-2012 06:39:24  
Yes, there will be Jeep plants along with plants from every American, European and Asian car / truck builder on the planet.

China and most of asia is the new hot car truck market, plus the low cost of building them in China.



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ss55

11-04-2012 12:29:01




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 Re: RUMOR MILL? in reply to George Marsh, 11-04-2012 06:39:24  
I haven't heard that Chrylser plant to import Chinese made vehicles to the US. What are the details to the rumor? Is Chrysler is expanding its sales by adding a plant in China to supply vehiles for the Chinese market just like GM builds Buicks in China for the Chinese market? Chinsa is becoming more protectionist and requires foreign companies to produce in China to sell in China. The US should do the same.

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RN

11-06-2012 16:55:39




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 Re: RUMOR MILL? in reply to ss55, 11-04-2012 12:29:01  
The US tariff for "light comercial" vehicle is 25%- a main reason Nissan, Toyota build/assemble pickups in the US for the US market. SO, US does restrict imports of Jeep types, makes them build here to avoid the import tariff. Other countries have similar policies and tariffs- import whole vehicle and pay large tariff, import engine and transmission for assembly in market country with local other parts and labor- no or minimal tariff so is actually practical/profitable to sell in that market country. Some countries require a domestic manufacture partner for a foreign maker to get product into country reasonable price- European common market has some of these requirements. China favors the close to 50% domestic partner route and tells US: "you charge 25% import, we can charge 25% import and no griping expected from your government or populace". Jeep assembly plant in China worked up to 2009 when auto crisis scrambled parts source, plant became a half working repair and parts depot. July article Wall Street Journal(?) noted that the plant was being cleaned and some assembly line jigs were being set up for production by end of year for Jeeps/utility vehicles Jeep based as parts become again available- this for domestic(China) sales only. SO, Jeep limited production in China for domestic sales mostly confirmed. The possibility of Chinese made small parts being sent to US is possible, some larger parts?- maybe axles, transmission, older pattern steering box"s as replacement parts for the older pattern models that would be about what the Chinese would make. A whole Jeep to US would get hit with 25% tarrif so not likely. Jeep assembly plant in China for the Chinese market would generate some license fees, some sales of components like maybe engines-the older, now not EPA compliant 240/4L engine would be a likely choice. We"ll see in 2013 after election who was lieing. RN

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MF Poor

11-04-2012 11:39:37




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 Re: RUMOR MILL? in reply to George Marsh, 11-04-2012 06:39:24  
Deny Deny Deny

Then move to China



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MarkB_MI

11-04-2012 12:43:26




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 Re: RUMOR MILL? in reply to MF Poor, 11-04-2012 11:39:37  
For the Chinese market. As I said earlier, if you're going to sell your products in China, you need to build them in China.



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MFPoor

11-05-2012 03:03:52




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 Re: RUMOR MILL? in reply to MarkB_MI, 11-04-2012 12:43:26  
And do you suppose Jeep products will suddenly start selling in mass numbers doubling what they do NOW? So once Chinese production reaches acceptable levels, POOF goes US plant. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that one coming.



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George Marsh

11-04-2012 12:59:49




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 Re: RUMOR MILL? in reply to MarkB_MI, 11-04-2012 12:43:26  
Mark,
I think the article said Fiat was moving to China to make Jeeps for the asian market, including China. SOOO some jeeps that may have been made in the US will now be made in China and shipped to other asian markets.

Will thin not hurt the United Auto Workers?
George



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MarkB_MI

11-04-2012 13:16:08




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 Re: RUMOR MILL? in reply to George Marsh, 11-04-2012 12:59:49  
Not really, George.

US-built products will be much more expensive than those from China, and therefore uncompetitive. I don't know how many US-built Jeeps China sells in Asia, but it can't be many. Likely these Chinese vehicles will be manufactured as "complete knock down" kits, with final assembly in the country where they're sold.

In other words, the Chinese-built vehicles don't compete with US-built ones because the US products have no chance of being imported into those countries.

Meanwhile, Chrysler is increasing Jeep production for the US market. And it's much more profitable to sell those vehicles in the US than try to ship them overseas.

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George Marsh

11-04-2012 12:33:18




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 Re: RUMOR MILL? in reply to MF Poor, 11-04-2012 11:39:37  
After reading the article, it sounds to me like there is some truth in the RUMOR MILL! Jeeps will be made or are already being made in China.



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LenND

11-04-2012 09:34:05




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 Re: RUMOR MILL? in reply to George Marsh, 11-04-2012 06:39:24  
I read an article a while back about a Chinese car being shipped to the US in pieces and being assembled in Calif. by a couple men. I think it is supposed to be an electric one. Chinese cars are not allowed here because they won't update all the things our cars have. Japan had the same problems years ago but they brought theirs up to our codes and sell them here. The only problem we (US) had was we could not sell a new car in Japan, used yes. I don't know if or when that was changed.

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Lanse

11-04-2012 08:01:07




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 Re: RUMOR MILL? in reply to George Marsh, 11-04-2012 06:39:24  
Thats just another of Mitt's lies.

I live in Ohio, near Dayton which has been hit exceptionally hard by the national recession, and its own local recession which has been happening in some form or the other for years.

I moved here in 2004, since then Delphi (a huge parts supplier to GM) ended its operations here and tens of thousands of locals lost their jobs directly related to the closure or indirectly, because the entire economy suffered when everyone that had a job that in one way or another, supported Delphi lost it.

Shortly thereafter, the national recession hit, which made everything worse and a number of the other larger employers in this area left. Some went to other states, some closed their doors permanently.

Here recently, NCR (National Cash Register) which was the remaining large commercial employer closed up, which put thousands more out of work. Dowtown Dayton looks like Downtown Detroit, there are closed up buildings and factories and warehouses and run-down neighborhoods all over the place. Cleveland is the same way.

These people suffer, there is not much money here.

And NOTHING, I repeat NOTHING will put fear into their hearts like the threat of another large employer leaving. Ohio was hit hard by the recession, and in that part of the state, a large number of jobs are directly tied to the automotive market.

I understand what Mitt was trying to do, Ohio, as we all know is a swing state and that man will do anything he can to win it over. If a person convinces people in this state that voting a certain way will magically end Ohio's economic problems, you can bet the election they will do it.

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wgm

11-04-2012 17:58:18




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 Re: RUMOR MILL? in reply to Lanse, 11-04-2012 08:01:07  
I know this will rile up the 47 percenters but eligible voters should be limited to tax paying property owners twenty years or older.



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MarkB_MI

11-06-2012 02:45:13




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 Re: RUMOR MILL? in reply to wgm, 11-04-2012 17:58:18  
WGM, your proposal would prevent most of the military enlisted personnel from voting, and a fair number of NCOs and officers. Why don't you want military personnel to vote?



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Gambles

11-04-2012 15:20:41




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 Re: RUMOR MILL? in reply to Lanse, 11-04-2012 08:01:07  
You are fresh out of high school, you legally can't drink a beer, you have no real post-high school education yet, and you haven't really had enough of a job to pay steady taxes. Yet you are the expert on who is the biggest liar in politics? You obviously haven't paid any attention to current events the last four years. Terrific.



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Jason the Red

11-10-2012 16:16:01




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 Re: RUMOR MILL? in reply to Gambles, 11-04-2012 15:20:41  
What exactly qualifies you as an expert?? Lanse stated his opinion and his view of current events. He is entitled to his view whether you agree or not. "Judge not lest ye be judged."



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HillsOfTN

11-04-2012 12:14:36




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 Re: RUMOR MILL? in reply to Lanse, 11-04-2012 08:01:07  
Lanse, do you REALLY believe the Other Guy hasn"t lied to you??????? I admire your enthusiasm, but you have got a lot to learn about blind faith in ANY politician and especially ANY political party.



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Dean

11-04-2012 13:52:32




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 Re: RUMOR MILL? in reply to HillsOfTN, 11-04-2012 12:14:36  
Bingo!

Dean



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MarkB_MI

11-04-2012 06:54:51




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 Re: RUMOR MILL? in reply to George Marsh, 11-04-2012 06:39:24  
It is true that Chrysler is ramping up Jeep production in China. If you want to compete in the Chinese market, you need to produce products in China.

It is not true that Jeep production for the US domestic market will move to China. That bit of fiction originated with a certain political candidate with a reputation for prevarication. Chrysler is in fact increasing US production.

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BIG RUH

11-04-2012 11:57:54




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 Re: RUMOR MILL? in reply to MarkB_MI, 11-04-2012 06:54:51  
I know Chrysler closed and moved their St. Louis truck plant to Mexico after they got their bail-out money



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ken combs

11-04-2012 06:59:49




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 Re: RUMOR MILL? in reply to MarkB_MI, 11-04-2012 06:54:51  
Seems that China has done very well producing products in China for export to North America.

Why can't Fiat / Jeep / Chrysler do the same?

Never mind, I know the answer, corporate profits and worker be d****d.



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MarkB_MI

11-04-2012 07:02:25




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 Re: RUMOR MILL? in reply to ken combs, 11-04-2012 06:59:49  
What Chinese automobile is imported into the US?



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ken combs

11-05-2012 11:50:44




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 Re: RUMOR MILL? in reply to MarkB_MI, 11-04-2012 07:02:25  
I said nothing about Chinese cars, just everything else!!



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Dean

11-04-2012 07:48:34




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 Re: RUMOR MILL? in reply to MarkB_MI, 11-04-2012 07:02:25  
Stay tuned.

Anyone who believes that Chinese made automobiles, etc., will not be iimported into the US absent major changes to the IRC simply does not understand the international economy, or worse.

Dean



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CumminsMan

11-04-2012 06:50:23




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 Re: RUMOR MILL? in reply to George Marsh, 11-04-2012 06:39:24  
Yes, for the Chinese/East Asia market.



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