RUMOR MILL?

It is true that Chrysler is ramping up Jeep production in China. If you want to compete in the Chinese market, you need to produce products in China.

It is not true that Jeep production for the US domestic market will move to China. That bit of fiction originated with a certain political candidate with a reputation for prevarication. Chrysler is in fact increasing US production.
Sergio says Jeep production will remain in the US
 
Seems that China has done very well producing products in China for export to North America.

Why can't Fiat / Jeep / Chrysler do the same?

Never mind, I know the answer, corporate profits and worker be d****d.
 
Stay tuned.

Anyone who believes that Chinese made automobiles, etc., will not be iimported into the US absent major changes to the IRC simply does not understand the international economy, or worse.

Dean
 
Thats just another of Mitt's lies.

I live in Ohio, near Dayton which has been hit exceptionally hard by the national recession, and its own local recession which has been happening in some form or the other for years.

I moved here in 2004, since then Delphi (a huge parts supplier to GM) ended its operations here and tens of thousands of locals lost their jobs directly related to the closure or indirectly, because the entire economy suffered when everyone that had a job that in one way or another, supported Delphi lost it.

Shortly thereafter, the national recession hit, which made everything worse and a number of the other larger employers in this area left. Some went to other states, some closed their doors permanently.

Here recently, NCR (National Cash Register) which was the remaining large commercial employer closed up, which put thousands more out of work. Dowtown Dayton looks like Downtown Detroit, there are closed up buildings and factories and warehouses and run-down neighborhoods all over the place. Cleveland is the same way.

These people suffer, there is not much money here.

And NOTHING, I repeat NOTHING will put fear into their hearts like the threat of another large employer leaving. Ohio was hit hard by the recession, and in that part of the state, a large number of jobs are directly tied to the automotive market.

I understand what Mitt was trying to do, Ohio, as we all know is a swing state and that man will do anything he can to win it over. If a person convinces people in this state that voting a certain way will magically end Ohio's economic problems, you can bet the election they will do it.
 
I read an article a while back about a Chinese car being shipped to the US in pieces and being assembled in Calif. by a couple men. I think it is supposed to be an electric one. Chinese cars are not allowed here because they won't update all the things our cars have. Japan had the same problems years ago but they brought theirs up to our codes and sell them here. The only problem we (US) had was we could not sell a new car in Japan, used yes. I don't know if or when that was changed.
 
I know Chrysler closed and moved their St. Louis truck plant to Mexico after they got their bail-out money
 
Lanse, do you REALLY believe the Other Guy hasn"t lied to you??????? I admire your enthusiasm, but you have got a lot to learn about blind faith in ANY politician and especially ANY political party.
 
I haven't heard that Chrylser plant to import Chinese made vehicles to the US. What are the details to the rumor? Is Chrysler is expanding its sales by adding a plant in China to supply vehiles for the Chinese market just like GM builds Buicks in China for the Chinese market? Chinsa is becoming more protectionist and requires foreign companies to produce in China to sell in China. The US should do the same.
 
After reading the article, it sounds to me like there is some truth in the RUMOR MILL! Jeeps will be made or are already being made in China.
 
For the Chinese market. As I said earlier, if you're going to sell your products in China, you need to build them in China.
 
Mark,
I think the article said Fiat was moving to China to make Jeeps for the asian market, including China. SOOO some jeeps that may have been made in the US will now be made in China and shipped to other asian markets.

Will thin not hurt the United Auto Workers?
George
 
Not really, George.

US-built products will be much more expensive than those from China, and therefore uncompetitive. I don't know how many US-built Jeeps China sells in Asia, but it can't be many. Likely these Chinese vehicles will be manufactured as "complete knock down" kits, with final assembly in the country where they're sold.

In other words, the Chinese-built vehicles don't compete with US-built ones because the US products have no chance of being imported into those countries.

Meanwhile, Chrysler is increasing Jeep production for the US market. And it's much more profitable to sell those vehicles in the US than try to ship them overseas.
 
Yes, there will be Jeep plants along with plants from every American, European and Asian car / truck builder on the planet.

China and most of asia is the new hot car truck market, plus the low cost of building them in China.
 
CLick the link and read the story carefully.

Here are a few excerpts from the story that would make any person think jeep is going to china.

1. "Well it appears that the taxpayer bailed-out Chrysler is looking back and now considering cutting costs by shifting production of all Jeeps to China, which has a strong desire for Jeeps."

2."Fiat SpA, majority owner of Chrysler Group LLC, plans to return Jeep output to China and may eventually make all of its models in that country, according to the head of both automakers" operations in the region," reported the business wire service.

3.Mike Manley, chief operating officer of Fiat and Chrysler in Asia and president of the Jeep brand, told Bloomberg, "We"re reviewing the opportunities within existing capacity" as well as "should we be localizing the entire Jeep portfolio or some of the Jeep portfolio" to China.


Looks to me like someone unintentially let the cat out of the bag during a typical business story interview. Now its being spun and the story back tracked, because, well external_link doesnt want the egg on his face until after the elections over.
Jeep going to China
 
(quoted from post at 22:56:05 11/04/12) CLick the link and read the story carefully.

Here are a few excerpts from the story that would make any person think jeep is going to china.

1. "Well it appears that the taxpayer bailed-out Chrysler is looking back and now considering cutting costs by shifting production of all Jeeps to China, which has a strong desire for Jeeps."

2."Fiat SpA, majority owner of Chrysler Group LLC, plans to return Jeep output to China and may eventually make all of its models in that country, according to the head of both automakers" operations in the region," reported the business wire service.

3.Mike Manley, chief operating officer of Fiat and Chrysler in Asia and president of the Jeep brand, told Bloomberg, "We"re reviewing the opportunities within existing capacity" as well as "should we be localizing the entire Jeep portfolio or some of the Jeep portfolio" to China.


Looks to me like someone unintentially let the cat out of the bag during a typical business story interview. Now its being spun and the story back tracked, because, well external_link doesnt want the egg on his face until after the elections over.
Jeep going to China
So according to that Bloomberg story Romney must not have lied.
 
I can understand Lanse's view to a point. But we have to remember he's not even 20 yet. The full reality of life hasnt been set on his shoulders. The nights of going to bed wondering if theres going to be enough money in the bank at the end of the month to pay all the bills. Whether or not the full implimentation of external_linkcare is going to bankrupt his business or will he be able to comply with new gov regulations, or how his customers will react to a price increase on his products so that he will be able to cover the cost of keeping his business open. Or how this president is able to take lavish vacations on taxpayer dime, while his vacations consist of staying home because hes not able to afford to go anywhere.
 
You are fresh out of high school, you legally can't drink a beer, you have no real post-high school education yet, and you haven't really had enough of a job to pay steady taxes. Yet you are the expert on who is the biggest liar in politics? You obviously haven't paid any attention to current events the last four years. Terrific.
 
GREED.

I know of a company that was making 184% profit making Phillips bits in USA; in Taiwan they could make 210% profit. So they moved to Taiwan.


You can't believe anyone. Period.
Romney feels that he deserves to be president, and will say anything to do so. The nnalert party will twist any facts into "truths"; they have the art of spin down to a science. nnalert are no better; their just not as good at it yet.

Bottom line is greed.

How is a man (woman) worth 5 million $ a year? That's what CEO and upper management get. Some much more. But do they care about others that are less fortunate? No. Henry Ford paid $5 a day so that his worker could afford to buy his cars. Companies today cut workers wages and have no care as to if they can afford to buy their products because someone else will. Stupid.

Politicians have scared the average Joe. Blame it on the terrorists, Blame it on the auto workers, Blame it on the public employees, the Teachers, the Elderly, and what next, the Middle Class?

There has been such a disconnect between politicians and average Joe for many years. Frustrated, we have voted in term limits in hopes of getting in new people to do the job right, when that hasn't worked, we vote out the incumbent, again in hopes the new one will listen. Now, us average Joes are voting on propositions that will change individual states constitutions because the legislatures still do not listen and do what they want. We have even started new parties in hopes of getting the change average Joe wants. Still no luck.

On my 18th birthday, my father sat down with me and discussed how to vote. He told me at times, I would have to chose between the lesser of two evils. For the past 20 years I have done that, only to find that the winner declares that"they have a clear mandate from the people" to enact action. His action that is. His parties action too.

He doesn't have a clear mandate from the people to enact action. Not really, the other guy sucked more.

So, I have come to the conclusion that they all lie, they do not care for average Joe, and they refuse to listen to average Joe. They will tell us what we want, what we are going to get, and what more we are going to give.

One politician said that teachers teach for the love of teaching, not money. They cut teacher wages, health care, retirement, and then made teachers pay more. I wonder if politicians would like to be treated the same way.

So, on Tuesday, I will wake up, go to the voting booth and hope, really hope, that on the ballot there is a third option, the option for "None of the above and we start will all new candidates". Maybe then, politicians would listen to average Joe.

What to do you think?
 
Yeah, funny how Mr external_link is shooting for all of the votes from the younger generation that have the same outlook on things to get him re-elected. Were he to rely on those of us that actually have a small business and work for a living his chances would be about equal to a snowball in he!!.................

That said my wife supplies the insurance in our family through her work. The minute external_linkcare started our coverage got more expensive and less inclusive than what we had had for years.....Talked to a guy a few months back that owns a small business with about 10 employees.Said the minute everything goes into full effect he's going to have to shut the doors because he can't afford to comply with all of the BS external_linkcare says he has to do....... Talked to an older neighbor yesterday and because of the changes, where he was paying nothing in copays, he is now going to have to start paying them. Basically someone on a fixed income now being forced to pay out money he doesn't have....

Say what you want about what external_link says, and then look at what he has actually done if not directly then indirectly, and you'll know who NOT to vote for on Tuesday.........
 
Ron,

What do I think?

The best Liar always wins.

Most likely the youngest people in this country will determine our future, scary!

Requardless who our president is, nothing will get passed the do nothing House and Senate.

Reguardless of all the spin put on Jeep, looks like China will be making Jeeps soon. Bet China's Jeep parts will find their way to the US.

We are all going to be in trouble real soon and it will be the other guy's fault.

George
 
I know this will rile up the 47 percenters but eligible voters should be limited to tax paying property owners twenty years or older.
 
(quoted from post at 21:58:18 11/04/12) I know this will rile up the 47 percenters but eligible voters should be limited to tax paying property owners twenty years or older.

That was one of the proposals when the Constitution was being written that did not survive.
 
And do you suppose Jeep products will suddenly start selling in mass numbers doubling what they do NOW? So once Chinese production reaches acceptable levels, POOF goes US plant. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that one coming.
 
They will appease the masses, it will be assembled in America from parts shipped from China, that makes it right.
However the price will not decrease.
 
Like others have said, China is a huge market that, from what I've read, really wants American cars. If we design them here, build them there (for them), and the profit comes back here, I suppose that's OK.

What about Honda, Toyota, Kia, Hyundai, and Nissan? They are all Asian manufacturers with plants in the U.S. I think of it the same way as that.

To be clear: Expanding production = good. Moving production = bad.

To keep this tractor related, Kubota produces tractors in the U.S., and I own a John Deere made in India. Go figure.
 
If the profit comes back here they would have to pay the second largest corp tax in the world. Why would Fiat send profits back to the US?
 
Ah to be a teenager again and so enlightened. And to think it used to be Said we get wiser with age. Guess us old timers need a lesson from the kids on how the world goes around. Nothing personal lanse
 
WGM, your proposal would prevent most of the military enlisted personnel from voting, and a fair number of NCOs and officers. Why don't you want military personnel to vote?
 
(quoted from post at 14:21:02 11/05/12) If the profit comes back here they would have to pay the second largest corp tax in the world. Why would Fiat send profits back to the US?

That's the point lost or not realized to many....Chrysler's majority owner is Fiat, an Italian company. Overseas Chrysler money is probably not coming back here.
 
After reading this whole thing I have just one thing to say. I really feel sorry for people like Lance who believe in the past four years. The present gummint has only one agenda and that is to rape the well off and give to those who don;t want to work. That way they can stay in power and continue their grand lifestyle. I have seen everything this world has to offer in my 81 years and we are on the downward slippery slope. Those Like Lanse will have to pay the price in their later years. The old German saying" we got too soon old and too late smart " really fits to this younger generation. I have heard very few lies from Romney and lots more from the other side, including half truths.
 
The US tariff for "light comercial" vehicle is 25%- a main reason Nissan, Toyota build/assemble pickups in the US for the US market. SO, US does restrict imports of Jeep types, makes them build here to avoid the import tariff. Other countries have similar policies and tariffs- import whole vehicle and pay large tariff, import engine and transmission for assembly in market country with local other parts and labor- no or minimal tariff so is actually practical/profitable to sell in that market country. Some countries require a domestic manufacture partner for a foreign maker to get product into country reasonable price- European common market has some of these requirements. China favors the close to 50% domestic partner route and tells US: "you charge 25% import, we can charge 25% import and no griping expected from your government or populace". Jeep assembly plant in China worked up to 2009 when auto crisis scrambled parts source, plant became a half working repair and parts depot. July article Wall Street Journal(?) noted that the plant was being cleaned and some assembly line jigs were being set up for production by end of year for Jeeps/utility vehicles Jeep based as parts become again available- this for domestic(China) sales only. SO, Jeep limited production in China for domestic sales mostly confirmed. The possibility of Chinese made small parts being sent to US is possible, some larger parts?- maybe axles, transmission, older pattern steering box"s as replacement parts for the older pattern models that would be about what the Chinese would make. A whole Jeep to US would get hit with 25% tarrif so not likely. Jeep assembly plant in China for the Chinese market would generate some license fees, some sales of components like maybe engines-the older, now not EPA compliant 240/4L engine would be a likely choice. We"ll see in 2013 after election who was lieing. RN
 
Henry,
Robin Hood, Stealing is ok if you steal from the rich.

Hitler, stold from the rich Jews, put them in jail and killed them.

Stealing form the rich is OK if you call it paying their "fair share".

Come on Henry, get with it, rich people are evil.

George
 
What exactly qualifies you as an expert?? Lanse stated his opinion and his view of current events. He is entitled to his view whether you agree or not. "Judge not lest ye be judged."
 

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